No debating top 3 teams in the state

Kahuku quarterback Sol-Jay Maiava opened the scoring with an 11-yard TD run in the OIA D-I title game against Farrington. Photo by Jamm Aquino/Star-Advertiser.
Kahuku quarterback Sol-Jay Maiava opened the scoring with an 11-yard TD run in the OIA D-I title game against Farrington. Photo by Jamm Aquino/Star-Advertiser.

First Hawaiian Bank/HHSAA State Football Championship schedule

With the First Hawaiian Bank/HHSAA State Football Championships set to begin Friday, there is no debate who the top three teams in the state are.

Two-time defending OIA champion Kahuku picked up all 15 first-place votes for the second straight week in the latest Honolulu Star-Advertiser Football Top 10 released Monday.


Two-time defending ILH champion Saint Louis, which lost to Kahuku in the Division I state final last season, received all 15 second-place votes this week while ILH runner-up Punahou was listed at No. 3 on every ballot.

The schedule for the six-team Open Division state tournament was released Saturday night. No. 1 Kahuku will potentially have to beat both No. 3 Punahou and No. 2 Saint Louis in order to win its ninth state championship.

The entire top 10 remained the same for the previous week with No. 4 Farrington remaining in that spot despite losing 44-8 to the Red Raiders. Farrington (8-3) will play No. 6 Waianae (8-4) in Saturday’s first round of the Open Division while No. 5 Kapolei (9-2), which won the OIA Red regular season, takes on the Buffanblu.


Voters seem to favor a championship game in the Division I tournament between No. 7 Mililani and No. 8 Campbell. Baldwin, which is ranked No. 9, plays the seventh-ranked Trojans in the first round on Friday at War Memorial Stadium. Hilo, which is No. 10 this week, will host Leilehua.

The Vikings were seeded first in the Division I tournament.


Three of the four games in the first round of the Division I tournament involve ranked teams. The only matchup with teams outside of the top 10 pits ‘Iolani against Moanalua.

TOP 10 SCHEDULE
>> No. 1 Kahuku, idle
>> No. 2 Saint Louis, idle
>> No. 3 Punahou vs. No. 5 Kapolei at Aloha Stadium, Saturday, 7:30 p.m.
>> No. 4 Farrington vs. No. 6 Waianae at Aloha Stadium, Saturday, 4:30 p.m.
>> No. 7 Mililani vs. No. 9 Baldwin at War Memorial Stadium, Friday, 6:30 p.m.
>> No. 8 Campbell vs. Waiakea, Friday, 7:30 p.m.
>> No. 10 Hilo vs. Leilehua at Kea’au, Friday, 7 p.m.

FOOTBALL
Updated: Nov. 21
RKTeamPts.
1.Saint Louis150
2.Kahuku135
3.Kapolei120
4.Punahou104
5.Waianae91
6.Mililani67
7.Farrington59
8.Kamehameha32
9.Lahainaluna25
10.'Iolani20

COMMENTS

  1. ilh November 1, 2016 4:27 pm

    Punahou will knock Kapolei than Kabuki off, watch and see, Punahou is a high flying Machine on Offense.


  2. 85 November 1, 2016 4:28 pm

    88 November 1, 2016 at 2:09 pm
    A guy named Mahina with his hair in a bun was working today? C’mon brah the worker in front helping the guest was a female. Bradah you are a chicken shet wanna be who talks big but can’t back it up. Bitch @$$.

    HAHA, the guy 88 is making u stuff.

    Scene 1 – 88 goes to his computer

    88: “Hmmm I am scared so I need to figure out how to get out of this.”

    “What I was at the place. Had one chick wit brown hair in one bun. I went ask her 4 show me the table. She was all kine confused.”

    88, no one believes you or good story. Let me guess. I am Al. Then I am Education First. Then I am puupchow boy. Then I am anyone who thinks you are an idiot. If that’s the case then I am the entire world since we all think you are moron!

    Chicken Boy 88, act all tough and tell fairy tales about meeting people. I just went call 591-6658, They said they don’t have a worker named MAHINA. HAHA. What’s next. You talked to a girl named KUULEI? Or MALIA? I know you talked to a guy names KEKOA or IKAIKA.

    Could you be more generic! HAHA you such a fag 88!


  3. 85 November 1, 2016 4:32 pm

    88 is the biggest crybaby in the world. He wants to talk about fair? Wil how fair is that all of your family gets welfare and me and my family got to work?

    How fair is that? I got to work 9-5 and you sit back on your computer collecting welfare checks with our taxes?

    And you complaining about seedings and brackets of a high school tourney? Brah, get a job and get off welfare. The people of Hawaii are sick and tired of feeding you and your family. Take school serious. Apply for one job. Jack in the Box is hiring janitors. I know that is a stretch, but reach for the stars 88!

    It’s embarrassing that you don’t have the time to work or apply for a job but you have time to blog. That is not fair!


  4. al November 1, 2016 6:00 pm

    88 November 1, 2016 at 3:29 pm
    @Al This is from the Coaches handbook for the HSSAA Football(NOT boys Volleyball like you keep referring to) Tournament:
    • #1 & #2 seeds have first-round byes
    • Remaining teams will be paired and
    placed at sites by the committee
    The ” REMAINING TEAMS will be paired and PLACED at sites by the COMMITTEE.”

    Yes. and i already told you how the teams were paired and placed at sites by the “COMMITTEE.” And it is exactly how I said. Ask vavae tata. Ask the kahuku AD. ask the OIA rep for football (whoever that is). This is EXACTLY how it’s done.

    “STOP bringing up this crap about placing the ILH #2 OPPOSITE from the ILH #1 because in the HISTORY OF HAWAII HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL the ILH #2 has NEVER EVER participated in the STATE FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT.”

    this DOES NOT MATTER. the seeding and bracket filling out process is EXACTLY THE SAME. all they did was add an ILH #2 and threw them in the opposite half of the ILH champ. just like how in the past HHSAA tournaments, they threw the OIA runner up in the OPPOSITE half of the OIA champ.

    You think that it’s some kind of conspiracy if they do this for ILH but it’s not a problem at all that HHSAA has been doing this for OIA teams during the entire state tournament run. I haven’t seen any ILH fans, coaches, or players complain about this. I only see kahuku fans whining.

    “Now look at the same HSSAA Football handbook at it will show you that ACCORDING TO THEIR PLACEMENT OF TEAMS THE #1 PLAYS THE WINNER OF THE #4 GAME AND THE #2 PLAYS THE WINNER OF THE #3 GAME. Its in black and white! If they followed the SAME procedures they used LAST YEAR #1 Kahuku would be playing the winner of the #4 game. Now who is #4 in the State of Hawaii according to every SPORTS WRITER and HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FOLLOWER?”

    retard. read carefully. the numbers don’t indicate rankings. get it in your head that rankings don’t matter. the number indicates the order of the games in how they’re played, NOT seedings. Look at the bracket, not the schedule of games.

    88, why are you so goddam stupid? I used to coach in the OIA and I know the procedure. there was another former coach who posted here in all caps because he was disgusted by some of you kahuku fans and your INCESSANT WHINING about matchups and conspiracies, and he said the exact same thing. If you check past articles about states, you see the same thing said by other people.

    So how about this: why don’t YOU go talk to vavae tata after practice. or why don’t YOU email HHSAA and confirm this process with them. it’s standard practice. email HHSAA head, or any football coach, ask them how the bracket is made and the seedings determined. also, tell them about your ILH conspiracy theory. In between them educating you on how things actually work, they’ll get a good laugh from your “EVERYONE IS AGAINST US” theory.

    88 and the rest of the Kahuku fans out there who keep complaining about matchups and conspiracies: STOP WHINING.


  5. al November 1, 2016 6:15 pm

    “AUWE November 1, 2016 at 2:52 pm
    The point I was trying to make is that the six best teams are in this tournament! No matter how you seed them the best team is gonna come out on top. But yeah all six of them deserve to be there, they earned it! But yeah I think punahou has the hardest road there, good luck to them.”

    AUWE, i completely agree with you. Best six are in the tournament. If Kahuku is so super dominant, then their draw and matchup shouldn’t matter. they’re seeded #1, so they’re expected to live up to their seeding and win.

    If anything, punahou got screwed in the draw because like education first said, they have to play a first round game against a pretty good kapolei team, and an OIA and ILH league champ. and if we’re going by the SA poll having any kind of validity (it doesn’t), then that’s a pretty terrible draw for the #3 team in the state. At least Kahuku and st louis have byes into the semis.

    So all the butthurt kahuku conspiracy theory fans: STOP WHINING. if your boys are really that good, then matchups shouldn’t matter. if they do, then maybe they’re not as dominant as you think they are.


  6. oia#1 November 1, 2016 6:16 pm

    The i.l.h trying to screw the o.i.a, mainly kahuku with this bracketing, but i dont see them beating kahuku, no way…


  7. grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 1, 2016 9:14 pm

    no aloha in these brackets for the #1 seed raiders, stlouis definately got the easy road, a bye and then the winner of the 4th vs 6th place. i guess cal lee really is a mastermind.

    kahuku gotta play the winner of the 3rd vs 5th place


  8. Manley November 1, 2016 9:16 pm

    If Punahou gets pass Kapolei, they better where extra protection from the smash mouth offense and defense.


  9. ILH November 1, 2016 10:11 pm

    MANLEY: you will eat your words, cause this Punahou team is no fluke, could score 60 plus points on Kahuku.


  10. grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 1, 2016 10:22 pm

    ILH, you me and the entire state of hawaii agree that punahou is beastly, almost won the ilh title and is no doupt 3rd best team in the state, so please explain why this 3rd place team is in the same bracket as the #1 team? leaving #2 stlouis in the other bracket with a cakewalk to the title game


  11. grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 1, 2016 10:51 pm

    im sure all kahuku people on here complaining will agree with me, all we want is a simple explanation from the hhsaa committe why the seeds were done that way, can HPW get that answer for us? this is the first year of this open division and the first time that ONLY 2 leagues, not 4, but 2 leagues are participating. because only 2 leagues are involved you cant use the old 4 league formula. please tell us the new formula you used and we will for ever shut up cause right now everything is fishy and your credibility and integrity is in question.

    please al/85/edufirst/808savage do not add ur 2cents we heard ur lame opinion, we want it straight from the horses mouth


  12. ILH November 2, 2016 12:44 am

    The reason is pretty simple: Who wants to see another blowout between Kahuku and Waianae, beaten twice by Kahuku, and Farrington Blownout by Kahuku. St. Louis already played Punahou three times, so it only makes sense to make things more interesting, Kahuku, never played Kapolei and or Punahou which makes these games more interesting, St. Louis never played Waianae or Farrington, and if i was seeded #1 why would i want to play the weaker team, bring on the best right away. like when you played preseason, you want to play the best, so you can learn from the best. So stop whinning and just except how this format was set. you complain to much, if you feel you are the best why worry about getting to the finals the easy way around, you know Punahou right now has the best shot at Kahuku, and let me tell you this, the Puns are no push over team, they will fight till the end, If the Puns past Kapolei , Kahuku will be in a dog fight.


  13. al November 2, 2016 5:45 am

    “because only 2 leagues are involved you cant use the old 4 league formula. ”

    i’m pretty convinced that grabum.by.the.puppygate isn’t 88/anywaays, because he seems smarter than them. he is also really just here to troll. but to answer his question, because i know morons like 88 will seize on it and be like “THE CONSPIRACY! whine whine complain complain”

    there was already a past article on why a second ILH team was put in. in fact, HHSAA director already said that under the old 4 team formula, with a six team bracket with only ILH and OIA, ILH would have three teams in. they modified it for 4 OIA and 2 ILH teams.

    as far constructing the bracket goes, why can’t you do things the same way? seed the top two teams, place league champs on the opposite half of the runner ups. OIA division I tournament seeds and places brackets the EXACT same way, and has been doing so for decades, and they only have one league participating.

    red division champs this year was placed on the bottom half of the bracket. red runner up placed in the half opposite of them. blue division champ placed in the top half. blue runner up placed in the opposite half.

    I never heard any of the whiner kahuku fans complain about how this isn’t a “true playoff” or how kahuku is getting screwed because the brackets didnt’ follow a random SA rankings poll.

    if you want to hear it from the horse’s mouth, go email HHSAA or the local football coach in your area. It’s not that hard.

    as far as “credibility” of HHSAA goes, like education first said, it’s an organization overseeing thousands of high school athletes and over 30 sports. The fact that some idiot kahuku fans and a troll on a high school sports blog has a “lame opinion” (to use your words) that HHSAA is trying to target a specific school in a specific sport to screw them over shows more about them then it does the HHSAA.


  14. al November 2, 2016 6:06 am

    @ILH “St. Louis never played Waianae or Farrington, and if i was seeded #1 why would i want to play the weaker team, bring on the best right away”

    If the team I was coaching was seeded #1 but they had a tougher draw, I would comment that the draw is harder because ILH is perceived as the stronger league, but I wouldn’t WHINE and complain INCESSANTLY about how HHSAA is trying to screw us over and point to some BS state ranking written by a newspaper, because I know that the seeding committee is made up of 1 rep from every league and things are discussed and voted on. I would tell the kids to strap up and play, because it doesn’t matter who is in the draw against us. If we’re the #1 seed we’re expected to win.

    If the draw REALLY bothered me that much, i would contact the coach/AD who was the OIA rep and ask for clarification. Not whine and moan constantly about how The ILH Conspiracy is trying to screw my team over


  15. grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 2, 2016 7:05 am

    still waiting for the commitee response


  16. al November 2, 2016 7:11 am

    grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 2, 2016 at 7:05 am
    still waiting for the commitee response

    You should probably email them directly, then. I doubt they read comments on a blog.

    Here’s HHSAA’s contact info:

    Hawaii High School Athletic Association
    P.O. Box 62029
    Honolulu, HI 96839

    Office: (808) 800-4092
    Email: info@hhsaa.org

    Best of luck.


  17. What u smok'n November 2, 2016 7:23 am

    @puppy
    You don’t need an explanation, what you need is common sense. If you don’t have common sense then there’s no sense in an explanation.


  18. 88 November 2, 2016 7:32 am

    No body is whining and moaning you dumb @)$$. We are just pointing out the obvious because butt sniffers like you who live for this blog can’t see what the ENTIRE Football loving State of Hawaii sees. And that is that this PlayOff seeding is BullShit! And next time read the damn HSSAA football handbook before you post your nonsense. It will make you look less of an @$$. But since you didn’t and I assume it’s because you like looking like an @$$ let me educate you. The #s do not represent the games. The #s represent team seedings( page 6 of the handbook). And according to the seedings the #1 seed plays the winner of the #4 seeds game. They don’t play the 4th game you idiot.


  19. Education First November 2, 2016 8:31 am

    88 all you do is whine. You are the biggest b*i*t*c*h in the history of blogging. Take a deep breath. We understand. You never made the team so you have to live through the Kahuku team.

    And even if #1 plays #4 and #2 plays #3, no one knows who the number 3 – 6 is? It’s all subjective. Everyone’s opinion counts. That is why it’s subjective.

    The only thing that is measurable and absolute are the league champs which is why the OIA and ILH champs are seeded. The rest it up for debate.

    But unfortunately for these blogs, you and all of your fake names bitch and moan. It’s what (in my opinion and yes it is subjective) ruin everything with your conspiracy theories, complaining, crying, and pretending to be a bully.

    We all know you are weak.

    You new username should be Red Raider Cry Baby.


  20. al November 2, 2016 8:37 am

    88. I already laid out in detail why you’re wrong. STOP WHINING.


  21. AUWE November 2, 2016 8:52 am

    @ILH try to be realistic, punahou putting up 60 points on kahuku??? Last time these two met their offense had more weapons and kahukus defense had less studs, and they couldn’t even score a touchdown on offense, and that was with a running game. So explain to me how they gonna put up 60 points??? On this kahuku defense. I’ll be surprised if they even score 28. But good luck with that anyways


  22. Education First November 2, 2016 8:55 am

    So 88, since you are so absolute, please give us empirical data on why you think Punahou is #3. And I am not talking about opinion or “the entire football world.” And for the record, how do you know what the entire football world thinks? Did you even do a survey?

    I know many Kalihi fans that even think their team should be seeded #2. It’s called bias. And yes, bias does occupy the minds of voters, the selection committee, etc. It’s human nature.

    So please provide facts that can convince the entire football community that Punahou should be #3? It’s kind of hard when the OIA and ILH never play each other in the regular season.

    You were probably one of those guys who reads polls and says, “Why is Oklahoma even wasting their time playing Boise State. The entire football world knows Oklahoma is better than Boise State.”

    And then Boise goes and upsets OU years ago.

    Anyone who understands data, the scientific process, and test bias knows that without head to head contests, it is IMPOSSIBLE to clearly identify the better team.

    There are so many factors that have to be taken into place:
    -Overall Records
    -Strength of Schedule
    -Strength of League
    -Record vs. Common Opponents
    -Trending
    -Injuries

    And even with these variables, it still is a subjective process to select and place teams.

    But 88 knows more than scientists and he can absolutely say, “The ENTIRE Football loving State of Hawaii sees.”

    Well I challenge you to survey Kalihi and it’s neighboring communities and ask them, “Who would you seed 3rd in the upcoming HHSAA Football State Tournament for the Open Division.”

    I am pretty confident many people would select Farrington over Punahou. But then again I challenged you to meet me for lunch and you didn’t. And Mahina (can replace with Lisa, or Mary, or Melisa, or whoevers) can confirm that you showed (WINK WINK).

    I love how you get angry when no one believes you and many people think you are an idiot.

    ***NOTICE I didn’t say “the ENTIRE Football loving State of Hawaii thinks you are an idiot.”

    How would I know what everyone thinks? But I do know by reading the blogs that many people think you are idiot.

    Keep them coming. It’s hilarious that someone so dumb has the audacity and courage to continue to write such asinine stuff. But then again, you do it behind a false name in addition to your alter-egos.

    It’s is quite entertaining. Instead of being on welfare, maybe you can charge a subscription to read your nonsense. I can pay about $9/month. That is about what it’s worth. That’s still $9 more than you have in your pocket right now.


  23. grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 2, 2016 8:57 am

    hpw is on it and should come out with an article soon with chris chun. their first step was to establish that there is no debate and the entire state agree who the top 3 is.


  24. Education First November 2, 2016 9:08 am

    al November 2, 2016 at 8:37 am
    88. I already laid out in detail why you’re wrong. STOP WHINING.

    @AL, he will never never stop to whine. For 88 to quit whining, he will need to seek professional help. I am not sure what kind of services he could get with only QUEST as his insurance. The truth is that 88 has deeply rooted problems festering from the 80’s when he tried to play for Kahuku. After he was told he wasn’t good enough he had to get the team water, wash their jocks, and pass out towels. Over time those bad feelings manifested itself and now this is the 88 of today.

    He chose 88 since that was the jersey he wanted to wear. But when he never made the team, he would try it on when no one was around and sniff it.

    I think we all need to step back (myself included) and ease up on 88. His problems are so deep that it won’t ever change.

    He cannot see what you are saying Al, he is just not intelligent enough. And it’s not your fault, it’s not my fault, geez, it’s not even 88’s fault. If anything I blame the problem on natural selection.

    We need guys like 88 on the bottom of the pecking order to keep balance in our world.


  25. Education First November 2, 2016 9:19 am

    grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 1, 2016 at 10:51 pm
    im sure all kahuku people on here complaining will agree with me, all we want is a simple explanation from the hhsaa committe why the seeds were done that way, can HPW get that answer for us? this is the first year of this open division and the first time that ONLY 2 leagues, not 4, but 2 leagues are participating. because only 2 leagues are involved you cant use the old 4 league formula. please tell us the new formula you used and we will for ever shut up cause right now everything is fishy and your credibility and integrity is in question.

    please al/85/edufirst/808savage do not add ur 2cents we heard ur lame opinion, we want it straight from the horses mouth

    —————————————-
    Do you really think Chris Chun or someone from the HHSAA football selection committee is going to reply on a newspaper forum or blog? That is what you are hoping for? Really?


  26. al November 2, 2016 9:39 am

    grabum.bythe.puppy.gate November 2, 2016 at 8:57 am
    hpw is on it and should come out with an article soon with chris chun. their first step was to establish that there is no debate and the entire state agree who the top 3 is.

    you are making things up because you don’t want to do the legwork itself. idiots like 88 have been whining for months, if not YEARS about this issue. you’re doing a pretty bad job at trolling. either just do one shot “the polls are rigged!” like how you were doing before or just stick to trying to make good points (fyi, you’re not).

    If you want to hear it straight from HHSAA, i gave you their email, phone, and address. Either contact them or quit crying.


  27. al November 2, 2016 9:42 am

    @AUWE the punahou vs kahuku matchup will be a good one to watch. and based on the history between kahuku and other ILH teams, it’ll probably be low scoring. imo, if Punahou drops 28 points on Kahuku, there’s a good chance that the outcome is that punahou won because i can’t imagine this being a shootout based on the type of offense kahuku runs and their defense.


  28. 88 November 2, 2016 9:56 am

    I know 15 people who voted Punahou #3. And not just 15 people off the street but 15 people with first hand knowledge of Hawaii High School Football. I’m sure these 15 people have their degrees in either journalism or something in the sports feild. Now was I present at the their graduation? Don’t be an idiot. However I am 99.9% sure that a reputable News Paper like the Honolulu Advertiser would ask Mahina and 14 other Moku Kitchen employees to rank High School football teams. And than there’s something called common sense. Common sense tells us that there is no way on gods green earth that the Govs are ranked/seeded/awarded, what ever word you want to use, higher than Punahou. You see they did scrimmage earlier this year and people got to see how they looked against each other. And if you were present you would know they didn’t look to good. Now it was just a scrimmage and there were no scientist present so hey it is debatable.


  29. AUWE November 2, 2016 10:02 am

    @All my fellow Red Raider faithful, this set up couldn’t have worked out any better, Kahuku already proved themselves against da govs and Waianae, now either punahou or kapolei! Then if we get past that against St. Louis if they make it past! At the end there will be no doubt who’s da best… Don’t think da boys would want it any other way either. Just sit back relax and enjoy the last 3 weeks of football cuz after that all pau!! Go Big Red


  30. Education First November 2, 2016 10:04 am

    Once again 88 is spitting out info with no evidence. Let’s make a list of who he probably asked:

    1) His Mom
    2) His welfare officer
    3) The judge who put the R.O. on him to stay away from kids
    4) Bulaia
    5) Billy Kenoi
    6) Donald Trump
    7) Junior Ah You
    8) The P.C.C. Director
    9) Hilary Clinton
    10) Eddie Aikau
    11) Kelly Slater
    12) anywaaays
    13) Too Meke
    14) Good Story
    15) PuppyGateGuy

    STOP MAKING UP CRAP! Unless you list names that can be contacted for verification, NO ONE BELIEVES YOU! STOP MAKING UP CRAP! You are wasting storage space on the SA Server!


  31. 88 November 2, 2016 10:07 am

    Numbnuts, read the article above that your posting on. I told you how many times already, being smart and acting like your smart are two different things.


  32. al November 2, 2016 10:08 am

    “@88 The #s do not represent the games. The #s represent team seedings( page 6 of the handbook). And according to the seedings the #1 seed plays the winner of the #4 seeds game. ”

    but let me explain how stupid you are 88, because you REALLY are a special kind of stupid. so in the brackets on page 6, there are two things: numbers and game numbers. game numbers refer to the order in which the games are played. notice, the finals is called game 5.

    there are 4 seeds in the bracket. #1 and #2 go to league champions. #3 and #4 goes to league runner ups, which are placed in opposite halves of their respective league champions. the remaining two teams are unseeded becuase they are OIA 3rd and 4th place teams and are there to fill out the bracket. the seedings have NOTHING to do with rankings that SA/HPW made up.

    I repeat, the seedings have NOTHING to do with the rankings that SA/HPW make up. those are for fans only. Really, what seeding means in this context is that there are 4 teams that are set in the bracket that won’t meet in the first round. that’s it.

    but like i said, if you think this is some kind of huge injustice, then why haven’t you been whining about this at the OIA when they’ve been using this model for almost every sport INCLUDING football for decades? in fact, why don’t you email HHSAA and declare what an injustice this is to kahuku?

    But i know you probably won’t because it’s more important for you to whine whine whine and sound like you’re right on a blog message board then actually do the legwork and find out how the process works.


  33. Education First November 2, 2016 10:09 am

    Hey Guys! I know 15 people with so called opinions about Hawaii Football. And I am not talking about people like 88. I am talking about people who know football and get to associate themselves with the Pacific Business News. And we all know that is a credible and reputable publication.

    Well my 15 football guys think that Waialua should get an injunction to put a TRO on the HHSAA until they are allowed to enter the Open Division Now!

    You guys never see #88 and #12 from Waialua playing Punahou’s #2 and #13 in the back yard of Tutu’s house down by the Mango Tree or what? Waialua was killing them!

    So my 15 guys with football IQ who read the Pacific Business News said so. I cannot identify them for FERPA reasons, but everyone, just believe me! I tell the truth!


  34. Education First November 2, 2016 10:10 am

    88 November 2, 2016 at 10:07 am
    Numbnuts, read the article above that your posting on. I told you how many times already, being smart and acting like your smart are two different things.

    ————————————
    Of which you are neither 88.


  35. al November 2, 2016 10:12 am

    “88 November 2, 2016 at 9:56 am
    I know 15 people who voted Punahou #3. And not just 15 people off the street but 15 people with first hand knowledge of Hawaii High School Football. ”

    88, NOBODY CARES. nobody cares about the SA poll or if you know 90 people who think punahou should be #3. the polls have NOTHING to do with the brackets or seedings. NOTHING. get this through your head: the SA poll means NOTHING.

    but, one positive thing that gives me hope for you is that you finally stopped whining about an ILH conspiracy. you’re just now clinging on to the SA polls and whining about that and specific seedings in the tournament.

    just concede the point already. how many times do people have to prove you wrong before you finally accept that maybe your view on things is incorrect? there’s no shame in that because it means that you learned something.

    go listen to AUWE. he has the right attitude.


  36. Red Raider 4 Life November 2, 2016 10:14 am

    @ILH, if your Punahou drops 60 on Kahuku, I will be the first one to come on this board to congratulate you and the Puns…BUT, thats not going to happen buddy, if the #1 team in the nation only put up 35 points on Big Red what makes you think Punahou will score more then Bishop Gorman? That Red Wall defense is scary.
    Plus don’t count out Kapolei, like I said, these are some great games coming up, no matter who’s playing who, anyone can win.
    And I am also glad that Kahuku is in a bracket where we can play someone new this year. I know I’m excited and I bet Big Red is too, they are out to prove a point and I know they will leave it all on the field and bring home the Open Division Championship this year.
    Go Get Um Big Red.
    Oregon RR4L c/0 87


  37. Education First November 2, 2016 10:36 am

    @ Al, 88 will come back with the same tired reply of, “Brah, my 15 friends who know football said, this is the first time the ILH had one 2nd team so how could they have done it forever? Wat cuz, you like scrap or wat? You name the time and place and I will show up. Then I will tell you I was there and Mahina was there to say I was there. You got it or wat brah?”


  38. Education First November 2, 2016 10:42 am

    88 walks to the local Walmart to use the computer.

    “Wat all u numbnuts! I wen talk to my tutu who wen watch football before super bowl 1. Tutu said u betta not ack up or I will give u guys cracks! The ILH like hold us RR4L’ers down. Dey gotta cheat up cuz dey cannot beat us. Wat Al, you no can read or wat? On page 44, article 23, amendment 12.3 it says the poll from the Star Advertiser is da 1 we goin use. Everyone on Earth, Marz, Jupiter, dey all say Punahou da #3 team in the state. No ack up everyone and my 15 friends know it Bow down 22 me u numbnuts”

    DONT HATE US CUZ U AINT US! ENEMY OF DA BLOGS BRAH!


  39. AUWE November 2, 2016 11:02 am

    I would think everyone would be on board the way brackets and games are set up? We are in for a treat this year! IMHO this gonna be the best we ever seen! I honestly wouldn’t pay for the $7 parking at the stadium or however much they gonna charge for admission if we was gonna see games that have already been played. Better for stay home watch um on tv. This is gonna be worth paying for and watching.


  40. AUWE November 2, 2016 11:50 am

    @ all of you who getting on 88s case!

    The sole purpose to have this open division was to let two ILH teams in the tournament because they been unjustly denied entry despite having the #3 team in the state year after year! Now you finally have your chance and opportunities then come on here say well um, well it’s just SA opinions that punahou is #3 cmon man! Atleast be consistent! Just saying! He has a good argument. Do I give a rats azz? No! But I don’t judge him!


  41. Education First November 2, 2016 11:58 am

    @ AUWE, you are a better man than the rest of us. 88 is a moron and I am being generous with that assessment of him.


  42. al November 2, 2016 12:08 pm

    AUWE November 2, 2016 at 11:50 am
    @ all of you who getting on 88s case!
    The sole purpose to have this open division was to let two ILH teams in the tournament because they been unjustly denied entry despite having the #3 team in the state year after year! Now you finally have your chance and opportunities then come on here say well um, well it’s just SA opinions that punahou is #3 cmon man! Atleast be consistent! Just saying! He has a good argument. Do I give a rats azz? No! But I don’t judge him!”

    Sorry, dude. I respect you, but 88 has no good points. He swings from ILH conspiracy theory to whining and complaining about brackets and matchups, then whining about how a random SA poll should affect seeding, then whining about how HHSAA is targeting kahuku even though he has no idea how the seeding and bracket process works. Then when people tell him the process, he gets angry and starts making things up.

    Worse, he can never admit that he’s wrong and doesn’t want to do his homework in finding out how things actually work because it’ll contradict his worldview.

    The dude is an idiot who gives the the good kahuku fans like you and others a really bad name.

    but i agree with you that this will be a good tournament. Players and coaches seem happy. The best are playing the best.


  43. 808 November 2, 2016 12:38 pm

    For open tournament it should be
    #3 punahou vs #6 Waianae
    #4 Farrington vs #5 Kapolei
    For semis
    Lowest remaining seed vs #1 Kahuku
    Highest remaining seed vs #2 St.Louis

    As someone who just wants to see the best team win, it does look like the HHSAA gave Kahuku the hardest path to the title game and st Louis the easiest. Why should Kahuku have to play punahou and Stl to win when they are #1? My way of doing it is how the NFL does it for the playoffs and makes way more sense. HHSAA just made it without thinking it seems


  44. Manley November 2, 2016 12:45 pm

    Any article with Kahuku or a picture of the big read uniform garners over a 100 comments. When you on top, the media comes to you. But on the negative side, 60% of the comments come from one multiple pseudo person.


  45. AUWE November 2, 2016 12:59 pm

    @al I am no way an expert on seeding or tournaments but the way 808 just laid it out is what I would have thought

    For open tournament it should be
    #3 punahou vs #6 Waianae
    #4 Farrington vs #5 Kapolei
    For semis
    Lowest remaining seed vs #1 Kahuku
    Highest remaining seed vs #2 St.Louis

    But hey I’m no expert on the matter it’s just the way I would have thought, is why I said he had a good argument! As far as ILH conspiracy and all that nonsense yeah don’t agree at all!

    Am I ok with how the seedlings were paired? Bet your azz my braddah! We in for some good football! Can’t wait


  46. 731grown November 2, 2016 1:07 pm

    I think kapolei has the toughest road… They just played waianae last week n gonna play punahou who had a bye and is fresh even when st.louis plays it will be off of two week rest. ILH gets to come in the tornament all rested up.i wouldnt be suprised if kapolei pulls the upset


  47. Education First November 2, 2016 1:25 pm

    Manley November 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm
    Any article with Kahuku or a picture of the big read uniform garners over a 100 comments. When you on top, the media comes to you. But on the negative side, 60% of the comments come from one multiple pseudo person

    Don’t talk that way about 88, he might do something silly to himself. We definitely don’t want that.


  48. Education First November 2, 2016 1:33 pm

    808 November 2, 2016 at 12:38 pm
    For open tournament it should be
    #3 punahou vs #6 Waianae
    #4 Farrington vs #5 Kapolei
    For semis
    Lowest remaining seed vs #1 Kahuku
    Highest remaining seed vs #2 St.Louis

    As someone who just wants to see the best team win, it does look like the HHSAA gave Kahuku the hardest path to the title game and st Louis the easiest. Why should Kahuku have to play punahou and Stl to win when they are #1? My way of doing it is how the NFL does it for the playoffs and makes way more sense. HHSAA just made it without thinking it seems

    —————————————-
    Why do you think Kahuku has the toughest path? Let’s compare:

    Kahuku
    -Has a Bye
    -Plays up to 2 games (if they advance)
    -Will play the winner of ILH #2 and OIA #3
    -Will play the winner of the other bracket which could be the ILH Champ (ILH)

    Punahou
    -Does not have a Bye
    -Plays up to 3 games (if they advance)
    -Will play the OIA #3
    -Will play the OIA and Defending Champion Kahuku (if they advance)
    -Will play the winner of the other bracket which cold be the ILH Champ (STL)

    @808, please tell me how Kahuku’s path is more difficult than Punahou? Kahuku plays 1 less game than Punahou. They have a bye. And they could potentially face 1 League Champ.

    Punahou plays 3 games (versus 2 for Kahuku); does not have a bye; and they could potentially face 2 League Champs.

    I don’t see it. Please break it down for me so I do. Thanks.


  49. Education First November 2, 2016 1:35 pm

    731grown November 2, 2016 at 1:07 pm
    I think kapolei has the toughest road… They just played waianae last week n gonna play punahou who had a bye and is fresh even when st.louis plays it will be off of two week rest. ILH gets to come in the tornament all rested up.i wouldnt be suprised if kapolei pulls the upset

    @731, you make a great point. I stand corrected, Kapolei does have the hardest path to the title. Good perspective. I definitely know you are not 88.


  50. 88 November 2, 2016 1:44 pm

    Daaaamn look how many times my user name is being mentioned by EducationAL85. I had no idea I frustrate you that much. But than again you do have a thing for my nuts…..


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