Reardon: High school recruiting isn’t changing

Kahuku forward Dan Fotu hanged on the rim after a slam dunk over Mount Vernon forward Derrick Hamlin during the second half at the ‘Iolani Prep Classic. The dunk tied the game and his ensuing free throw gave the Red Raiders a 55-54 lead en route a 60-54 upset win. Photo by Jamm Aquino/Star-Advertiser
Kahuku forward Dan Fotu hanged on the rim after a slam dunk over Mount Vernon forward Derrick Hamlin during the second half at the ‘Iolani Prep Classic. The dunk tied the game and his ensuing free throw gave the Red Raiders a 55-54 lead en route a 60-54 upset win. Photo by Jamm Aquino/Star-Advertiser

Honolulu Star-Advertiser sports columnist Dave Reardon wrote in Sunday’s newspaper that recruiting in high school sports isn’t going to go away anytime soon.

“Recruiting — by whatever name you want to call it — is a reality in high school sports,” Reardon wrote. “That goes for public and private schools.”

It’s brought up in regards to the proposed OIA-ILH football alliance. Some on the OIA side don’t want to see it happen because they feel the ILH has an unfair advantage against OIA schools because it can legally go out and recruit players.


However, the OIA has won two of the last three and four of the last six Division I state football titles.

You can read Dave’s entire story here (no subscription required).

COMMENTS

  1. anywaaaays!! April 23, 2017 3:34 pm

    The more they write these articles about recruiting the more we learn about how big the gap is between the OIA and ILH. There really is no case for an alliance, the biggest argument that the ILH has and one that June Jones endorses is the small guys (Nanakuli/Radford) being stuck in D1 with the Big dogs. Simple Solution. OIA creates 3 tiers. End of Story! Crickets!


  2. Coach_B April 23, 2017 3:37 pm

    @Reardon
    I think you are on top of all of your points, especially schools not granting financial aid to academic prodigies, but ILH schools take a slightly different angle on it. Like you mentioned, they take the approach that they are offering an opportunity to someone who may not have been able to afford tuition. Where it gets tricky is when they take a collegiate style stance to admissions and financial aid. They can assume that they will always attract the best and brightest students, and their admissions office might factor in “institutional need” like colleges do for their admissions. There are plenty of “prodigies” at ILH schools, and there are many more academically gifted athletes than people might talk about, but when they are trying to split up their limited financial aid resources it makes a certain amount of sense for them to give more money to attract kids who, all other things being somewhat equal, are also athletically gifted. I know that lots of times these athletes might not be held to the same academic standard, but that’s similar to colleges where the athletes benefit the school. If you look at ILH schools these days they are looking more and more like small colleges, so it seems almost like a natural progression towards a more college-like admissions and financial aid process. What do you think?


  3. Just Play April 23, 2017 6:06 pm

    Private schools most definitely give scholarships/financial aid to academic prodigies. In the private school world it is called “buying national merit finalists.” Having students attend top-notch colleges for academics is very important. There is a reason why the private schools will publicize the types of schools their graduates got into. But back to athletics. Yes, both private and public schools recruit LIKE CRAZY. What would the high school sports scene look like if.open recruiting was allowed?!


  4. Made in America April 23, 2017 9:12 pm

    Anywaaays!! playing the victim again!


  5. Coach_B April 23, 2017 9:44 pm

    @Made in America
    Context? Please explain how he is playing victim. I don’t quite follow you. Im sure you have a logical explanation of your view…


  6. RRInsider April 24, 2017 7:25 am

    @coach_B Anywaays missed the point of the article. It makes me question if he even read Dave Reardonʻs article at all. The point that Reardon is making is that both the OIA AND ILH recruits players, including Kahuku. His point is that you can be angry at the system itself that prioritizes high school sports, but whether or not a kid is actively recruited or just gravitates towards a school because of their athletics program, the effect is the same. BOTH leagues do it, although ILH is more attractive if the athlete can make the grades.

    Nowhere in the article is there an argument that confirms that a league merger should happen because of the huge talent gap between the OIA and ILH due to recruiting. In fact, Dave Reardonʻs main point contradicts this by saying that OIA teams can and do regularly compete with top ILH teams when he says “With all that being said, the best OIA football teams usually can and do match up to the best the ILH puts on the field. OIA teams have won two of the past three and four of the past six highest-level state championships. And it’s not just Kahuku; Mililani and Leilehua have also won the title within the past 10 years.”

    Anywaays, please read the articles before commenting on them. If anything, Reardonʻs article SUPPORTS the case for an OIA/ILH merger.


  7. RRInsider April 24, 2017 7:26 am

    “Nowhere in the article is there an argument that confirms that a league merger should happen because of the huge talent gap between the OIA and ILH due to recruiting.”

    Correct this sentence to “Nowhere in the article is there an argument that confirms that a league merger SHOULDNʻT happen because of the huge talent gap between the OIA and ILH due to recruiting.” I made a typo


  8. Made in America April 24, 2017 7:33 am

    Coach_B, he blames the ILH for everything that’s kaka in his life


  9. Education First April 24, 2017 8:06 am

    Recruiting will happen. It happens everywhere. We should get rid of all high school and college sports since using the variables that some crybabies continue to complain about, there will never be a level playing field.

    Also, we should get rid of all professional sports. Why? There isn’t a level playing field. Some cities are a bigger market that attracts more free agents. Some have better ownership. Some have better facilities.

    Just get rid of sports and appease the crybaby on here.


  10. TooMeke April 24, 2017 9:34 am

    zzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

    who cares?

    wake me up when the season starts…so I can watch all the recruits play…regardless of the teams for which they are playing.

    good luck to all the student-athlete’s. hope you all do as well as possible given your respective situations.

    all the adults: stop crying about something over which you have no control. if your kid is affected, then do something about it. if not…like the song says “let it go.”

    Edu/Made: up to your bipolarity again, I see.


  11. CriticalReader April 24, 2017 9:40 am

    If only as much attention were paid to classroom performance and improvements as is spent on sports, and football in particular. Do the dollar for dollar analysis on that. Sports are intrinsically good. But, they are being made bad by warping the perspective of what education is supposed to be about, while and because sports sucks resources and attentention away from fundamental needs and responsibilities of the schoools. I wish there were a discussion about why recruiting can be successful, instead of that it can be.


  12. Education First April 24, 2017 10:12 am

    @ toomeke can you please use your regular name of 88 or anywaays. You are not transparent and your method of writing makes you easy to fingerprint on here. There aren’t too many adults writing at the 1st grade level.

    Maybe ask your neighbor’s kid to tutor you?


  13. Coach_B April 24, 2017 10:29 am

    @RRInsider
    I get your point about Made in America and I agree that it doesn’t sound like he read the article, but I just wanted to know what he meant.

    More to the point of the article. I have said before that I know that both the ILH and OIA recruit, which is along the lines of what Reardon wrote. I also made another similar point that, even in spite of this recruiting leading to talent flowing towards the ILH, some areas (Kahuku, Farrington and Waianae for example) still have the depth of talent where they can stay competitive in spite of the talent lost.

    That being said, since these schools are so competitive in spite of the current recruiting situation, wouldn’t any argument against a regular season ILH-OIA merger be sort of a moot point? Those highly competitive OIA schools can say its an unfair advantage for the ILH to recruit, but some do it as well (Mililani and Kapolei to varying degrees). They can’t really argue with the fact that the OIA has been well represented in the State Championship era in terms of titles since they have the majority during that period. They can try to make the point that merging the regular season would defeat the purpose of the Playoffs, but when Kahuku blows out teams like Radford 83-0, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the regular season too? I mean if the OIA really thinks the ILH is just that unfair, why did they agree to play them during the preseason and playoffs already? I’m just of the opinion that parity in competition is good. Any thoughts?


  14. Education First April 24, 2017 11:02 am

    CriticalReader April 24, 2017 at 9:40 am
    If only as much attention were paid to classroom performance and improvements as is spent on sports, and football in particular. Do the dollar for dollar analysis on that. Sports are intrinsically good. But, they are being made bad by warping the perspective of what education is supposed to be about, while and because sports sucks resources and attentention away from fundamental needs and responsibilities of the schoools. I wish there were a discussion about why recruiting can be successful, instead of that it can be.
    ———————–
    This is one of the most intelligent posts on here. Like I have been saying for the past 3 years, academics is so much more important than sports. But guys like 88/anywaays/too meke/good story live through the kids at Kahuku since they have pathetic lives.

    They do not care that many kids out there can barely read or write. And even though they are really good at football, only a very small percentage of the graduating class (if they do graduate) get to college on a athletic scholarship. And even a smaller number can make it to the NFL.

    It’s really pathetic. But the same person will come back on here to insult me. And that’s great. But, you will notice, that these same people who are really 1 person will never argue or debate that my data on poor academics is flawed or incorrect.


  15. Made in America April 24, 2017 12:02 pm

    Coach_B, anywaaays!! is the one that didn’t read the article but does hate the idea of the merger. All because he blames the ILH for everything that’s kaka in his life.


  16. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 1:40 pm

    Why is Reardon writing an article about football when we are in the off season? All you clowns dont realize that he is using the power of press to manipulate the people, keeping the convo alive about how the OIA and ILH are equal because they both recruit, unconsciously insinuating the need to merge the leagues. His arguments are weak but to the casual fan may sound convincing.

    All of this chit-chat to build pressure against the OIA old folks that are against a merger. The merger only benefits the ILH and no one has yet to give me a good reason why the OIA needs to merge. NONE! CRICKETS!!

    For those of you that say Kahuku beat Radford 83-0, well the answer is to turn the OIA into 3 tiers to match the HHSAA tourney format. BOOM KANANI! ANSWER SOLVED!!

    The only merger that should happen is Edu1st/ ILove88/ 808savage/MadeInAmer accounts because they are the same idiots that cant make any valid points about anything.


  17. TooMeke April 24, 2017 1:44 pm

    This is Edu’s home… not away from home… it’s her home.

    Camper.


  18. Education First April 24, 2017 1:59 pm

    TooMeke April 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm
    This is Edu’s home… not away from home… it’s her home.

    Camper.
    ——————–
    HAHAH! It’s HER home! HAHA. How in the world did toomeke aka anywaays come up with that?

    Oh yeah, you went to Kahuku. That is the best you got. I mean seriously, that is your comeback? It’s her home? And I am a camper?

    HAHAH! Please come back and write something that is witty or at least a little funny. That retort pretty pathetic.

    #tragic #sosad #wow


  19. Education First April 24, 2017 2:05 pm

    The only merger that should happen is Edu1st/ ILove88/ 808savage/MadeInAmer accounts because they are the same idiots that cant make any valid points about anything.
    —————————
    Buddy could you be less original? And can you come up with material that I haven’t been writing and accusing you of for the past 1-2 years?

    Like I have written on several dozens of occasions, anywaays is too meke who is also 88 who is also good story.

    But thank you! Copycatting and mimicking is the biggest form of flattery. I know you want to be me, but at least try doing somethings that involve original thought.

    And like I just told your alter-ego Too Meke, I understand you went to Kahuku and you were not given the tools to be creative and original. Maybe ask you boy lover to help?


  20. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 2:11 pm

    CoachB – “They can’t really argue with the fact that the OIA has been well represented in the State Championship era in terms of titles since they have the majority during that period.”
    ——————
    Kahuku has been winning not the OIA, Leilehua and Mililani won 1 title and then became irrelevant after graduating their studs. Also keep in mind that only 1 ILH team was in the state tourney so that guaranteed an OIA team to make the title game.

    You all dont realize that when St. Louis was in a down period and Punahou was winning consecutive ILH titles, many STL players left or avoided playing for STL, partially because if Punahou was going to win and rep the ILH in the state tourney then STL season would be over. Now that the ILH cried their eyes out to get two teams into the Open division, morale is back up and PUN/STL recruiting efforts will get even stronger. TRUST ME!

    N – O – P – E….WE DONT WANT NO UNITY
    N – O – P – E….WE DONT WANT NO UNITY

    T – R – E – E….O.I.A TIERS WE WANT TREE
    T – R – E – E….O.I.A TIERS WE WANT TREE


  21. Coach_B April 24, 2017 2:12 pm

    @anywaaaaays
    First off, what else is Reardon going to write about? Golf?

    Second, you meant to say “subconsciously” not unconsciously.

    Third, I think Reardon as well as commentators on these articles have tried to articulate reasonable points as to why a merger wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. You may not agree, but I’d like to hear your reasons why, not just that you disagree with the points that have been made.

    In any case, contrary to what it may seem, I do agree with some of your opinions on this matter. I agree that a merger would be beneficial for the ILH, but I don’t think this is a zero sum situation where the OIA has to be at a loss for the ILH to gain something. I think there is some common ground benefits such as a potentially larger regular season made of competitive games. I also agree that a 3 tier format would benefit the OIA.

    In your hypothetical 3 tier OIA reshuffling, who would be in your 3 tiers? Assuming you left the current D2 as the new D3, how would you split the 14 or so current D1 teams? I think that there was a big gap between Kahuku, Waianae, Farrington, and Kapolei and the rest of the D1 OIA in terms of talent, which was reflected in the box score. That means that there were really only 2 or 3 games the whole season that “mattered.” If you want every game to matter, then you would put those four teams in their own division, but then you would have the ILH’s problem of too few teams to make a meaningful regular season. That is why I was thinking that the merger wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

    For the sake of argument, do you think the OIA should pull out of the HHSAA tournament? If it doesn’t benefit the OIA to merge the regular season, then what is the benefit to play them during the post season with a “State Championship” on the line?


  22. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 2:15 pm

    Still no good reason from anyone why the OIA needs to merge with the ILH!
    …im waiting….CRICKETS!!!!!


  23. phILHarmonic April 24, 2017 2:29 pm

    That being said, don’t offer to meet Eduaction First at a preapproved venue. Through a number of posters including one who provided live updates from restaurant with description of place Ed 1st claimed to be and also the people there, Ed 1st middle name should be “no show”. LMAO. Mahalo.


  24. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 2:34 pm

    CoachB – “In your hypothetical 3 tier OIA reshuffling, who would be in your 3 tiers?”

    OIA D1
    Kahuku
    Campbell
    Farrington
    Kailua
    Kapolei
    Leilehua
    Mililani
    Waianae

    OIA D2
    Nanakuli
    Aiea
    Waipahu
    Moanalua
    Kaiser
    Castle
    Radford

    OIA D3
    Kaimuki
    Kalaheo
    Kalani
    McKinley
    Pearl City
    Roosevelt
    Waialua


  25. rrforlifebaby April 24, 2017 2:38 pm

    It’ll be interesting to see how the school voucher system(if implemented) will affect public school athletics.


  26. Made in America April 24, 2017 3:04 pm

    Still no good reason why the ILH SHOULDN’T merge with the OIA.

    Crickets.


  27. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 3:23 pm

    CoachB – “If you want every game to matter, then you would put those four (OIA) teams in their own division, but then you would have the ILH’s problem of too few teams to make a meaningful regular season.”
    ————————————————–
    Wrong! Remove Kahuku and the original 2 tier OIA system is balanced. Heres the deal, I been hearing the whinning and crying from the westside OIA schools for decades, “OH, Kahuku is in a weak OIA east division, come time for OIA playoffs they are rested and healthy, they should play in the west division and see what its like to bang with the wesside!”

    So at the request of all this complaining from OIA west schools, they mix the OIA and now Kahuku plays Waianae/Kapolei/Campbell on a regular basis. Kahuku still dominates and now the wesside schools shut up!

    Remove Kahuku and the ILH continues their reign of Hawaii HS football and all this merger talk is moot, remove Kahuku and the ILH owns 33 of the last 35 prepbowl/state titles, appeasing the Alumni and high paying tuition parents.

    The ILH never complained about their four team schedule for 35 years. If anything they are pumping out better talent in the last ten years then the entire history of Hawaii HS football. If nothing is broke dont fix it! The ILH kids have been reaching higher levels and producing the best talent hawaii has ever seen…(MantiTeo, Buckener, Mariota, TuaTagov, Kamalei Correa, Alualu, Kaumatule) does this sound like a league in distress? No! What it sounds like is a bunch of sour grapes that cant handle losing to Kahuku.

    After Kahuku pounds the west side schools and runs through the OIA they then proceed to beat the ILH schools in the state tourney. The ILH crybabys start saying…”Kahuku is in a weak OIA conference and comes into the state title game rested and healthy, they lucky they dont have to play STL/KAM/PUN during the regular season”

    Now the case is being made from the ILH crybabys that there needs to be a merger. Cal Lee went on record after losing to Kahuku in 2015 saying “I wish we could play them during the season so we can get used to their style of play, in the ILH we are a passing league and not used to the ground and pound”…sounds like a crybaby to me.

    Then this past year after STL beats Kahuku in the title game Ron Lee says…”the competition in the OIA is weaker and we knew it would come back to bite them…we dont have a soft schedule we play Punahou and Kam so we were prepared for them”

    So please tell me this, Why would Ron Lee want to merge with the SOFTER OIA teams? He doesnt, he just wants to put his STL crusaders in better positions to succeed, aka beat Kahuku.


  28. Made in America April 24, 2017 6:07 pm

    The only crybaby is anywaaays!! since he loves to play the victim. He is also a hypocrite. He should hang with Wendell Look since both always play the victim!


  29. Coach_B April 24, 2017 7:10 pm

    @anywaaaays
    Now that is an interesting division set up. I don’t know if Leileihua would be able to consistently compete but its worth trying. Same goes for Kailua and Campbell who have to share talent across several schools (i.e. Waimanalo kids going to Kaiser, Kailua, or even Castle and Campbell kids going to Kapolei).

    As for the ILH not complaining for 35 years, you must not have been paying attention for the entirety of the Cal Lee era. It was only within the last 5 or so years that the ILH went to a 3 or 4 team schedule where the teams only played within their division. There used to be 7 game schedule with 2 games against each team within your own division and 1 game against each team in the other division. That changed after D2 schools like Damien would intentionally forfeit their games against STL to prevent injuries and 70pt blowouts. If you are going to say that “if nothing’s broke don’t fix it” at least get your facts straight.


  30. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 8:35 pm

    CoachB – STL wore out their welcome in the ILH by over-recruiting and blowing out their cohorts, thats not a broken situation, thats Karma! Now they want to bring their tactics to the OIA and demolish public schools? No Thank you!


  31. anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 9:19 pm

    The argument that the merger would be better for the Kids of ALL schools is not true in fact its quite the opposite

    – If the merger where gonna happen Im sure the OIA would put restrictions on the recruiting abilities (of the ILH) which in turn will lower the ability for STL/PUN to continue to develop top level talent as abundantly as they have been in the past 10 yrs. Parents want to do whats best for their kids and if they want to play for STL then the kid shouldnt be penalized for transfering, let the kid play asap.
    – Lets take Kahukus Frosh QB, as much as he loves repping the BIGRED he would benefit from transferring to STL and playing under that system, why make him sit out 1yr or 2yrs because of the transfer from OIA to ILH? The merger would probably create a 1 or 2yr sitout. Not good.

    – Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition, some of the bluechip talent from around the OIA could transfer and play immediately. The incentive to play on a SUPERTEAM that travels to the mainland to play BG/MaterDei/IMG would probably motivate some of the lower academic OIA kids (who are also gifted on the football field) to get serious about their future, when in a normal situation that kid would probably be a star at his local OIA school and then soon after graduation be a beach bum.
    – Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition, all this animosity that the Public schools have against the “high makamaka” private schools would disintegrate because its no longer an in-state territorial battle, its a “Hawaii vs. the world” mentality that will unite all of the Hawaii HS football world.
    – Im a RR4L Kahuku supporter and STL/PUN are our enemys, Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition I would become a STL/PUN supporter because I know a few of my RR athletes would be on that SUPERTEAM repping Hawaii and im sure this SUPERTEAM would slowly win over the support of the RR Nation.

    Im not against private schools, in fact I was the original poster (a year ago) of the idea for STL or PUN to build a SUPERTEAM and set their sights on national competition. Thats right, im all for STL or PUN to increase their recruiting efforts but not for the purpose of dominating Hawaii football. This NON-MERGER and the idea of a SUPERTEAM would be the best thing for ALL kids of hawaii. WHY? Because MantiTeo, Mariota and TuaTagov brought recognition to Hawaii by performing well in off-season camps – a SUPERTEAM would bring recognition to Hawaii during the season. That equals a year-round campaign of advertising for Hawaii Footballers.


  32. Made in America April 24, 2017 9:47 pm

    Coach_B, arguing with anywaays!! is a waste of time. Hasn’t anybody here realized that? If the guy likes the way things are in the OIA and HS Football, why is he COMPLAINING and crying like a BABY?


  33. ILH makes their own rules anyway....... April 24, 2017 11:37 pm

    If the OIA decided to match the state tournament and ILH followed suit, this is what would happen, and the ILH will dominate even more. So you all better hope this doesn’t happen.
    Open – PUN – STL
    DI – KAM
    DII – Iolani, Damien, STF, PAC fight for one spot.
    If this happened, ILH would win every state tournament, then what the OIA gonna say. Tired of all this BS. There needs to be a merger and create a better Hawaii football league from top to bottom. Why is this so hard for people to understand. I don’t get it.


  34. Education First April 25, 2017 8:27 am

    phILHarmonic April 24, 2017 at 2:29 pm
    That being said, don’t offer to meet Eduaction First at a preapproved venue. Through a number of posters including one who provided live updates from restaurant with description of place Ed 1st claimed to be and also the people there, Ed 1st middle name should be “no show”. LMAO. Mahalo.
    —————
    Clown, there were no live updates. And at no point did anyone show up. No one offered to meet me. If you look in the past threads, I invited 3 different (actually 1 poster with 3 different screen names). No one showed up.

    But hey, any idiot can come online and say they showed. And it takes morons like you to believe. Let me guess, if I told you I saw a unicorn you would believe me right? HAHA.

    You must have grad Kahuku, by the old mango tree? HAHA!


  35. Education First April 25, 2017 8:28 am

    Made in America April 24, 2017 at 9:47 pm
    Coach_B, arguing with anywaays!! is a waste of time. Hasn’t anybody here realized that? If the guy likes the way things are in the OIA and HS Football, why is he COMPLAINING and crying like a BABY?
    ———————-
    So true! Let me guess, I am not Made in America too? That is what anywaaays, too meke, good story, and 88 will tell you.


  36. RRInsider April 25, 2017 9:13 am

    So weʻve established that anywaaays didnʻt read the article at all and is in fact ignoring the article just to babble about how OIA needs to have three tiers and a merger shouldnʻt happen for whatever reason, I suspect itʻs because heʻs scared that an OIA/ILH merger would mean that kahuku might actually take some losses and have a more competitive regular season.

    Weʻve also established that he has no answer to the question of why even have the OIA play a state tournament with ILH if cross-competition offends him so much. Honestly, Iʻm not sure why anyone even listens to him. Even his idiotic suggestion of punahou and st louis merging football teams to create a national traveling team is extremely stupid. Punahou is much more than just its football team. Just because a school is a private school doesnʻt mean itʻs bishop gorman and wants to be like bishop gorman.

    Coach_B, I agree with you. If Dave Reardon is correct and all schools recruit to varying degrees, then an OIA/ILH merger makes sense. Itʻs good for the kids. Itʻs good for the fans. Itʻll make interesting football games and spark new rivalries.


  37. Knation April 25, 2017 9:50 am

    Merger or not kahuku ain’t afraid of anything. Bring it on…


  38. KapahuluWarrior April 25, 2017 10:03 am

    It does not matter what division or league the ILH teams play in they will always push the public schools around. Always have and always will. The question is finding a good fit for everyone to make everyone happy, which is impossible.


  39. Education First April 25, 2017 12:19 pm

    anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 at 2:15 pm
    Still no good reason from anyone why the OIA needs to merge with the ILH!
    …im waiting….CRICKETS!!!!!
    —————————-
    DAMN YOU ARE SO DUMB. I will appease you….

    1) Generate more money. With more attractive games, you can have more fans pay at the gates. These same fans will pay for parking and food/drinks at the concession stands if the game is at the stadium.

    2) Ability to get recruited. The scouts know which Hawaii Teams are legit and which ones are bad. When the OIA/ILH teams that are elite play each other and players have game film that they can use to make their highlight reel to send to coaches, it increases their value. With a higher value, it opens up more doors.

    3) Less chance of injury. Now granted, football is a violent sport and injuries will happen. But if you have teams that are more similar in size, speed, and athleticism, the chances of getting hurt lessens as opposed to a team losing 84-0. If the score is 84-0, other than skill, there’s a good chances they just cannot match-up physically which puts smaller kids at risk.

    4) More meaningful games. Now, this happens if the appropriate teams are placed properly. But if the top 6 or 8 teams are in a super conference, then the games should be more exciting and having the top teams play each other week in and week out should elevate the level of play. When kid play good kids, they get better.

    5) General quality of play. Like I said above, when good teams play each other 2-3 times a year, they will get better and improve (given that they are surrounded by quality coaches).

    6) Increase the level of play at the top schools. Now, this may have a negative effect of the tier 2 and tier 3 schools, but there is a large community of quality football players that do not go to private schools for various reasons ranging from money, to community ties, to personal preference, an inability to get into the school. These kids can now get a GE to attend the more attractive OIA schools, thus increasing the quality of good players at each tier 1 school.

    I could go on for days.

    NOTE: I am not saying there are not negatives for creating a league. These are just some of the possible positives for making a super conference.

    CRICKETS (that is by far the lamest and saddest and sliest comeback ever!)


  40. Education First April 25, 2017 12:22 pm

    Knation April 25, 2017 at 9:50 am
    Merger or not kahuku ain’t afraid of anything. Bring it on…
    —————
    I beg to differ. By the looks of it, there is a strong case that many of them are afraid of the _______ (fill in the blank: SBAC, ACT, SAT, GED, MATH, ELA).


  41. anywaaaays!! April 25, 2017 1:05 pm

    Edu1st is the dumbest person on the internet, he probably wears flip flops everyday because he lives in Hawaii even though he only has One toe.

    Hey one toe willy! Let me squash your six idiotic responses

    1) “Generate more money. With more attractive games” – WRONG! Big crowds only show up in the state tournament games, even the RRNation only has a good 500-800 fans showing up during the regular season games, its not until the playoffs when it increases a little and then the State Title game when it explodes to 15,000+. You must be so greedy because your first and best argument for a Merger is to exploit young athletes for money. WOW!

    2) “Ability to get recruited.” – WRONG! its actually the opposite, players usually use film from playing bad teams to create their highlight tape and travel to off-season camps to get recruited, That 5star D-Lineman from Farrington a few years ago got all his offers from doing good at off-season camps but his highlight reel was from when they played the weak teams like Castle and Aiea.

    3) “Less chance of injury” – WRONG! We dont need an OIA/ILH merger to match the bigger schools together. The OIA has enough schools to create their own 3 tier division which will solve the problem of matching small/medium/big schools. END OF STORY! CRICKETS!!

    4) “More meaningful games” – WRONG! We dont need a merger to have meaningful games, all we need is the OIA to create 3 tiers and it will all balance out. Kahuku already has their hands full preparing for all the competition in the OIA, heck we even lost to Kaiser a few years ago and Campbell eliminated us from the playoffs, the OIA is a gauntlet. The only people that need meaningful games is the ILH because they are bored in their 3 team conference. BOOOHOOO! stop crying!

    5) “General quality of play..when good teams play each other..they will get better” – YOU ARE CORRECT! So why stop STL from playing PUN 7 times a year? Let them get better since they think they are so good already. Us folk in the OIA will just create our 3 tier system to balance out the strong teams and increase the quality of play in the OIA.

    6) Your #6 reason is so stupid Im not even going to respond but I will say WRONG! anyway.


  42. anywaaaays!! April 25, 2017 1:15 pm

    I remember a year ago when I brought up the idea of a super team in the ILH and setting their sights on national competition, everyone called my idea stupid. Even today in this comment section you all called it a stupid idea.

    But guess what, Cal and JJ have been planning on it. They must be reading these blogs and stealing my ideas, in which case, I salute you JJ and Cal, bright minds think alike!

    Apr 19, 2017 – Lee and Jones have discussed leaving ILH
    http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/lee-and-jones-have-discussed-leaving-ilh/


  43. Education First April 25, 2017 1:22 pm

    I will reply to anywayys who has issue comprehending, reading, and anything that has to do with thinking. As illustrated by my numerous scholarly posts and his idiotic posts, my intelligence speaks for itself. As for anywaays, let’s just all feel sorry for him that he has to live his life being an idiot (who loves to copy my insults).

    1) WRONG! Big crowds only show up in the state tournament games, even the RRNation only has a good 500-800 fans showing up during the regular season games, its not until the playoffs when it increases a little and then the State Title game when it explodes to 15,000+. You must be so greedy because your first and best argument for a Merger is to exploit young athletes for money. WOW! – SO YOUR DATA IS LOOKING PURELY AT AN ALL OIA VS OIA GAME? I AM LOOKING AT DATA FOR ILH VS OIA GAMES. FUNNY HOW YOU ARE CALLING ME AN IDIOT. SO IN A SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT ILH VS OIA YOU ONLY BRING UP OIA VS OIA. HAHA, NEXT?

    2) WRONG! its actually the opposite, players usually use film from playing bad teams to create their highlight tape and travel to off-season camps to get recruited, That 5star D-Lineman from Farrington a few years ago got all his offers from doing good at off-season camps but his highlight reel was from when they played the weak teams like Castle and Aiea. – THIS JUST SHOWS YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BEING RECRUITED. I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE LOWER TIER SCHOOLS. BUT FOR SCHOOLS SUCH AS TOP 25 SCHOOLS, THE POSITION COACHES REQUEST GAME FILM FROM GAMES AGAINST TOP TEAMS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN MY BUDDY JOHNNY NANSEN CAME DOWN TO MEET WITH KALE ANY OF PUNAHOU AND CAL LEE OF STL, HE ASKED FOR GAME FOOTAGE OF STL PLAYING PUNAHOU AND VICE VERSA. HE ALSO ASKED FOR GAME FOOTAGE OF STL VS KAHUKU. HE NEVER ASKED FOR PUNAHOU VS DAMIEN OR PAC 5. DO YOU JUST MAKE STUFF UP? YOU DO KNOW JOHNNY IS A LOCAL BOY BEFORE HE MOVED TO LONG BEACH RIGHT?

    3) “Less chance of injury” – WRONG! We dont need an OIA/ILH merger to match the bigger schools together. The OIA has enough schools to create their own 3 tier division which will solve the problem of matching small/medium/big schools. END OF STORY! CRICKETS!! – I LOVE HOW YOU CANNOT EVEN COMMENT ON THE COMMON SENSE NOTION THAT IF PHYSICALLY GIFTED ATHLETES PLAY SMALLER ATHLETES THEN INJURIES WILL GO UP. MAN YOU ARE SO DUMB! NO WONDER YOU HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND YOUR 5 USERNAMES.

    4) “More meaningful games” – WRONG! We dont need a merger to have meaningful games, all we need is the OIA to create 3 tiers and it will all balance out. Kahuku already has their hands full preparing for all the competition in the OIA, heck we even lost to Kaiser a few years ago and Campbell eliminated us from the playoffs, the OIA is a gauntlet. The only people that need meaningful games is the ILH because they are bored in their 3 team conference. BOOOHOOO! stop crying! – ONCE AGAIN YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DISPEL MY ARGUMENT. YOU JUST CRY AND BITCH AND MOAN LIKE THE BITCH YOU ARE. SO YOU ARE SAYING KAHUKU PLAYING THE BOTTOM OF THE OIA D1 IS AS MEANINGFUL AS PLAYING PUNAHOU OR STL? MAN IT’S AMAZING THAT ONE PERSON CAN WRITE SO MUCH DUMB CRAP.

    6) Your #6 reason is so stupid Im not even going to respond but I will say WRONG! anyway. – NOTICE WHEN PEOPLE CANNOT ARGUE THAT SOMETHING IS INCORRECT THEY WILL COME BACK WITH THE “YOUR ARGUMENT IS SO STUPID. WELL IF IT IS, PROVE IT TO US?”

    LET’S BE SERIOUS anywaays, YOU ARE PRETENDING RIGHT? I CANNOT FATHOM HOW SOMEONE CAN BE SO STUPID. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME ANYONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING THEY LIKE JUST TO GET GIGGLES.

    I WILL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU ARE PLAYING. IF YOU ARE NOT, THEN I REALLY DO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.


  44. phILHarmonic April 25, 2017 1:52 pm

    Ed 1st, you’re the only guy at this point that believes your own tall tales…check that, you and your other 5 user names on this site. Everyone who was here 2 years back remember you going “radio silent” as that poster who was looking for posted live updates announcing he was at the Waikiki restaurant that you claimed to be at but you where to be found. Try to find peace in your existence egghead. LOL.


  45. anywaaaays!! April 25, 2017 1:53 pm

    The only idiot that speaks academics on a sports blog finally speaks sports and he makes a fool of himself. All his points are coming from the perspective of a little child that knows nothing about sports.

    All I can say is that JJ and Cal validated my way of thinking by doing exactly what I conjured up a year ago.

    Apr 19, 2017 – Lee and Jones have discussed leaving ILH
    http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/lee-and-jones-have-discussed-leaving-ilh/

    BOOM KANANI! CRICKETS!!


  46. anywaaaays!! April 25, 2017 1:57 pm

    January 02, 2016: anywaaaaays!! – “Hmmm, I think the ILH teams should set their sights on playing mainland teams because the OIA will never want to merge conferences with them”

    January 02, 2016: Edu1st – “Thats stupid only an idiot would say that!”

    Apr 19, 2017 – Lee and Jones have discussed leaving ILH
    http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/lee-and-jones-have-discussed-leaving-ilh/

    BOOM KANANI! CRICKETS!!


  47. Education First April 25, 2017 2:44 pm

    phILHarmonic April 25, 2017 at 1:52 pm
    Ed 1st, you’re the only guy at this point that believes your own tall tales…check that, you and your other 5 user names on this site. Everyone who was here 2 years back remember you going “radio silent” as that poster who was looking for posted live updates announcing he was at the Waikiki restaurant that you claimed to be at but you where to be found. Try to find peace in your existence egghead. LOL.
    —————-
    I am never silent. If I am not here like I said, I am either vacationing, or making money. Isn’t a coincidence that the numerous times that asked the moderator to prove that I am only using one IP address (other than the people copycatting me). I challenge anyone to prove me different.

    Anyway, as for believing anything, you believe in trolles, unicorms, and pink ponies too right? It’s amazing how you believe anything.

    What are you going to tell me next? That 88 is not too meke who also isn’t anywaays who isn’t good story? C’mon man.

    I offer date and precise statistics. I notice that you don’t do that. But you interject the acronym ILH into your username since you are a wannabe. You desperately wanted to be a part of the ILH but your mommy never could afford it. Maybe ask your daddy, the gardener who had his way with your mommy and maybe you would have a chance at getting into an ILH school. But 40 years too late is a little too late isn’t it?


  48. phILHarrnonic April 25, 2017 3:36 pm

    @ ed1st
    Ed 1st, you’re the only guy at this point that believes your own tall tales…check that, you and your other 5 user names on this site. Everyone who was here 2 years back remember you going “radio silent” as that poster who was looking for posted live updates announcing he was at the Waikiki restaurant that you claimed to be at but you where to be found. Try to find peace in your existence egghead. LOL.

    ========================================================================

    Not me, bro. But this phony is funny.

    You must spend a lot of time keeping this up, remembering what you said for which person you are impersonating, on which article. Props to your resolve.

    Keep up the hard work.


  49. 85 April 25, 2017 4:24 pm

    @education first why you butt hurt on Kahuku so much? If the education at kahuku sucks so bad then do something instead crying!


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