Reardon: High school recruiting isn’t changing

The more they write these articles about recruiting the more we learn about how big the gap is between the OIA and ILH. There really is no case for an alliance, the biggest argument that the ILH has and one that June Jones endorses is the small guys (Nanakuli/Radford) being stuck in D1 with the Big dogs. Simple Solution. OIA creates 3 tiers. End of Story! Crickets!

Private schools most definitely give scholarships/financial aid to academic prodigies. In the private school world it is called “buying national merit finalists.” Having students attend top-notch colleges for academics is very important. There is a reason why the private schools will publicize the types of schools their graduates got into. But back to athletics. Yes, both private and public schools recruit LIKE CRAZY. What would the high school sports scene look like if.open recruiting was allowed?!

@Made in America
Context? Please explain how he is playing victim. I don’t quite follow you. Im sure you have a logical explanation of your view…

“Nowhere in the article is there an argument that confirms that a league merger should happen because of the huge talent gap between the OIA and ILH due to recruiting.”

Correct this sentence to “Nowhere in the article is there an argument that confirms that a league merger SHOULDNʻT happen because of the huge talent gap between the OIA and ILH due to recruiting.” I made a typo

Recruiting will happen. It happens everywhere. We should get rid of all high school and college sports since using the variables that some crybabies continue to complain about, there will never be a level playing field.

Also, we should get rid of all professional sports. Why? There isn’t a level playing field. Some cities are a bigger market that attracts more free agents. Some have better ownership. Some have better facilities.

Just get rid of sports and appease the crybaby on here.

If only as much attention were paid to classroom performance and improvements as is spent on sports, and football in particular. Do the dollar for dollar analysis on that. Sports are intrinsically good. But, they are being made bad by warping the perspective of what education is supposed to be about, while and because sports sucks resources and attentention away from fundamental needs and responsibilities of the schoools. I wish there were a discussion about why recruiting can be successful, instead of that it can be.

@RRInsider
I get your point about Made in America and I agree that it doesn’t sound like he read the article, but I just wanted to know what he meant.

More to the point of the article. I have said before that I know that both the ILH and OIA recruit, which is along the lines of what Reardon wrote. I also made another similar point that, even in spite of this recruiting leading to talent flowing towards the ILH, some areas (Kahuku, Farrington and Waianae for example) still have the depth of talent where they can stay competitive in spite of the talent lost.

That being said, since these schools are so competitive in spite of the current recruiting situation, wouldn’t any argument against a regular season ILH-OIA merger be sort of a moot point? Those highly competitive OIA schools can say its an unfair advantage for the ILH to recruit, but some do it as well (Mililani and Kapolei to varying degrees). They can’t really argue with the fact that the OIA has been well represented in the State Championship era in terms of titles since they have the majority during that period. They can try to make the point that merging the regular season would defeat the purpose of the Playoffs, but when Kahuku blows out teams like Radford 83-0, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of the regular season too? I mean if the OIA really thinks the ILH is just that unfair, why did they agree to play them during the preseason and playoffs already? I’m just of the opinion that parity in competition is good. Any thoughts?

Coach_B, anywaaays!! is the one that didn’t read the article but does hate the idea of the merger. All because he blames the ILH for everything that’s kaka in his life.

This is Edu’s home… not away from home… it’s her home.

Camper.

The only merger that should happen is Edu1st/ ILove88/ 808savage/MadeInAmer accounts because they are the same idiots that cant make any valid points about anything.
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Buddy could you be less original? And can you come up with material that I haven’t been writing and accusing you of for the past 1-2 years?

Like I have written on several dozens of occasions, anywaays is too meke who is also 88 who is also good story.

But thank you! Copycatting and mimicking is the biggest form of flattery. I know you want to be me, but at least try doing somethings that involve original thought.

And like I just told your alter-ego Too Meke, I understand you went to Kahuku and you were not given the tools to be creative and original. Maybe ask you boy lover to help?

@anywaaaaays
First off, what else is Reardon going to write about? Golf?

Second, you meant to say “subconsciously” not unconsciously.

Third, I think Reardon as well as commentators on these articles have tried to articulate reasonable points as to why a merger wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. You may not agree, but I’d like to hear your reasons why, not just that you disagree with the points that have been made.

In any case, contrary to what it may seem, I do agree with some of your opinions on this matter. I agree that a merger would be beneficial for the ILH, but I don’t think this is a zero sum situation where the OIA has to be at a loss for the ILH to gain something. I think there is some common ground benefits such as a potentially larger regular season made of competitive games. I also agree that a 3 tier format would benefit the OIA.

In your hypothetical 3 tier OIA reshuffling, who would be in your 3 tiers? Assuming you left the current D2 as the new D3, how would you split the 14 or so current D1 teams? I think that there was a big gap between Kahuku, Waianae, Farrington, and Kapolei and the rest of the D1 OIA in terms of talent, which was reflected in the box score. That means that there were really only 2 or 3 games the whole season that “mattered.” If you want every game to matter, then you would put those four teams in their own division, but then you would have the ILH’s problem of too few teams to make a meaningful regular season. That is why I was thinking that the merger wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

For the sake of argument, do you think the OIA should pull out of the HHSAA tournament? If it doesn’t benefit the OIA to merge the regular season, then what is the benefit to play them during the post season with a “State Championship” on the line?

That being said, don’t offer to meet Eduaction First at a preapproved venue. Through a number of posters including one who provided live updates from restaurant with description of place Ed 1st claimed to be and also the people there, Ed 1st middle name should be “no show”. LMAO. Mahalo.

It’ll be interesting to see how the school voucher system(if implemented) will affect public school athletics.

CoachB – “If you want every game to matter, then you would put those four (OIA) teams in their own division, but then you would have the ILH’s problem of too few teams to make a meaningful regular season.”
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Wrong! Remove Kahuku and the original 2 tier OIA system is balanced. Heres the deal, I been hearing the whinning and crying from the westside OIA schools for decades, “OH, Kahuku is in a weak OIA east division, come time for OIA playoffs they are rested and healthy, they should play in the west division and see what its like to bang with the wesside!”

So at the request of all this complaining from OIA west schools, they mix the OIA and now Kahuku plays Waianae/Kapolei/Campbell on a regular basis. Kahuku still dominates and now the wesside schools shut up!

Remove Kahuku and the ILH continues their reign of Hawaii HS football and all this merger talk is moot, remove Kahuku and the ILH owns 33 of the last 35 prepbowl/state titles, appeasing the Alumni and high paying tuition parents.

The ILH never complained about their four team schedule for 35 years. If anything they are pumping out better talent in the last ten years then the entire history of Hawaii HS football. If nothing is broke dont fix it! The ILH kids have been reaching higher levels and producing the best talent hawaii has ever seen…(MantiTeo, Buckener, Mariota, TuaTagov, Kamalei Correa, Alualu, Kaumatule) does this sound like a league in distress? No! What it sounds like is a bunch of sour grapes that cant handle losing to Kahuku.

After Kahuku pounds the west side schools and runs through the OIA they then proceed to beat the ILH schools in the state tourney. The ILH crybabys start saying…”Kahuku is in a weak OIA conference and comes into the state title game rested and healthy, they lucky they dont have to play STL/KAM/PUN during the regular season”

Now the case is being made from the ILH crybabys that there needs to be a merger. Cal Lee went on record after losing to Kahuku in 2015 saying “I wish we could play them during the season so we can get used to their style of play, in the ILH we are a passing league and not used to the ground and pound”…sounds like a crybaby to me.

Then this past year after STL beats Kahuku in the title game Ron Lee says…”the competition in the OIA is weaker and we knew it would come back to bite them…we dont have a soft schedule we play Punahou and Kam so we were prepared for them”

So please tell me this, Why would Ron Lee want to merge with the SOFTER OIA teams? He doesnt, he just wants to put his STL crusaders in better positions to succeed, aka beat Kahuku.

@anywaaaays
Now that is an interesting division set up. I don’t know if Leileihua would be able to consistently compete but its worth trying. Same goes for Kailua and Campbell who have to share talent across several schools (i.e. Waimanalo kids going to Kaiser, Kailua, or even Castle and Campbell kids going to Kapolei).

As for the ILH not complaining for 35 years, you must not have been paying attention for the entirety of the Cal Lee era. It was only within the last 5 or so years that the ILH went to a 3 or 4 team schedule where the teams only played within their division. There used to be 7 game schedule with 2 games against each team within your own division and 1 game against each team in the other division. That changed after D2 schools like Damien would intentionally forfeit their games against STL to prevent injuries and 70pt blowouts. If you are going to say that “if nothing’s broke don’t fix it” at least get your facts straight.

The argument that the merger would be better for the Kids of ALL schools is not true in fact its quite the opposite

– If the merger where gonna happen Im sure the OIA would put restrictions on the recruiting abilities (of the ILH) which in turn will lower the ability for STL/PUN to continue to develop top level talent as abundantly as they have been in the past 10 yrs. Parents want to do whats best for their kids and if they want to play for STL then the kid shouldnt be penalized for transfering, let the kid play asap.
– Lets take Kahukus Frosh QB, as much as he loves repping the BIGRED he would benefit from transferring to STL and playing under that system, why make him sit out 1yr or 2yrs because of the transfer from OIA to ILH? The merger would probably create a 1 or 2yr sitout. Not good.

– Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition, some of the bluechip talent from around the OIA could transfer and play immediately. The incentive to play on a SUPERTEAM that travels to the mainland to play BG/MaterDei/IMG would probably motivate some of the lower academic OIA kids (who are also gifted on the football field) to get serious about their future, when in a normal situation that kid would probably be a star at his local OIA school and then soon after graduation be a beach bum.
– Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition, all this animosity that the Public schools have against the “high makamaka” private schools would disintegrate because its no longer an in-state territorial battle, its a “Hawaii vs. the world” mentality that will unite all of the Hawaii HS football world.
– Im a RR4L Kahuku supporter and STL/PUN are our enemys, Without the merger and with STL or PUN setting their sights on mainland competition I would become a STL/PUN supporter because I know a few of my RR athletes would be on that SUPERTEAM repping Hawaii and im sure this SUPERTEAM would slowly win over the support of the RR Nation.

Im not against private schools, in fact I was the original poster (a year ago) of the idea for STL or PUN to build a SUPERTEAM and set their sights on national competition. Thats right, im all for STL or PUN to increase their recruiting efforts but not for the purpose of dominating Hawaii football. This NON-MERGER and the idea of a SUPERTEAM would be the best thing for ALL kids of hawaii. WHY? Because MantiTeo, Mariota and TuaTagov brought recognition to Hawaii by performing well in off-season camps – a SUPERTEAM would bring recognition to Hawaii during the season. That equals a year-round campaign of advertising for Hawaii Footballers.

If the OIA decided to match the state tournament and ILH followed suit, this is what would happen, and the ILH will dominate even more. So you all better hope this doesn’t happen.
Open – PUN – STL
DI – KAM
DII – Iolani, Damien, STF, PAC fight for one spot.
If this happened, ILH would win every state tournament, then what the OIA gonna say. Tired of all this BS. There needs to be a merger and create a better Hawaii football league from top to bottom. Why is this so hard for people to understand. I don’t get it.

Made in America April 24, 2017 at 9:47 pm
Coach_B, arguing with anywaays!! is a waste of time. Hasn’t anybody here realized that? If the guy likes the way things are in the OIA and HS Football, why is he COMPLAINING and crying like a BABY?
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So true! Let me guess, I am not Made in America too? That is what anywaaays, too meke, good story, and 88 will tell you.

Merger or not kahuku ain’t afraid of anything. Bring it on…

anywaaaays!! April 24, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Still no good reason from anyone why the OIA needs to merge with the ILH!
…im waiting….CRICKETS!!!!!
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DAMN YOU ARE SO DUMB. I will appease you….

1) Generate more money. With more attractive games, you can have more fans pay at the gates. These same fans will pay for parking and food/drinks at the concession stands if the game is at the stadium.

2) Ability to get recruited. The scouts know which Hawaii Teams are legit and which ones are bad. When the OIA/ILH teams that are elite play each other and players have game film that they can use to make their highlight reel to send to coaches, it increases their value. With a higher value, it opens up more doors.

3) Less chance of injury. Now granted, football is a violent sport and injuries will happen. But if you have teams that are more similar in size, speed, and athleticism, the chances of getting hurt lessens as opposed to a team losing 84-0. If the score is 84-0, other than skill, there’s a good chances they just cannot match-up physically which puts smaller kids at risk.

4) More meaningful games. Now, this happens if the appropriate teams are placed properly. But if the top 6 or 8 teams are in a super conference, then the games should be more exciting and having the top teams play each other week in and week out should elevate the level of play. When kid play good kids, they get better.

5) General quality of play. Like I said above, when good teams play each other 2-3 times a year, they will get better and improve (given that they are surrounded by quality coaches).

6) Increase the level of play at the top schools. Now, this may have a negative effect of the tier 2 and tier 3 schools, but there is a large community of quality football players that do not go to private schools for various reasons ranging from money, to community ties, to personal preference, an inability to get into the school. These kids can now get a GE to attend the more attractive OIA schools, thus increasing the quality of good players at each tier 1 school.

I could go on for days.

NOTE: I am not saying there are not negatives for creating a league. These are just some of the possible positives for making a super conference.

CRICKETS (that is by far the lamest and saddest and sliest comeback ever!)

Edu1st is the dumbest person on the internet, he probably wears flip flops everyday because he lives in Hawaii even though he only has One toe.

Hey one toe willy! Let me squash your six idiotic responses

1) “Generate more money. With more attractive games” – WRONG! Big crowds only show up in the state tournament games, even the RRNation only has a good 500-800 fans showing up during the regular season games, its not until the playoffs when it increases a little and then the State Title game when it explodes to 15,000+. You must be so greedy because your first and best argument for a Merger is to exploit young athletes for money. WOW!

2) “Ability to get recruited.” – WRONG! its actually the opposite, players usually use film from playing bad teams to create their highlight tape and travel to off-season camps to get recruited, That 5star D-Lineman from Farrington a few years ago got all his offers from doing good at off-season camps but his highlight reel was from when they played the weak teams like Castle and Aiea.

3) “Less chance of injury” – WRONG! We dont need an OIA/ILH merger to match the bigger schools together. The OIA has enough schools to create their own 3 tier division which will solve the problem of matching small/medium/big schools. END OF STORY! CRICKETS!!

4) “More meaningful games” – WRONG! We dont need a merger to have meaningful games, all we need is the OIA to create 3 tiers and it will all balance out. Kahuku already has their hands full preparing for all the competition in the OIA, heck we even lost to Kaiser a few years ago and Campbell eliminated us from the playoffs, the OIA is a gauntlet. The only people that need meaningful games is the ILH because they are bored in their 3 team conference. BOOOHOOO! stop crying!

5) “General quality of play..when good teams play each other..they will get better” – YOU ARE CORRECT! So why stop STL from playing PUN 7 times a year? Let them get better since they think they are so good already. Us folk in the OIA will just create our 3 tier system to balance out the strong teams and increase the quality of play in the OIA.

6) Your #6 reason is so stupid Im not even going to respond but I will say WRONG! anyway.

I will reply to anywayys who has issue comprehending, reading, and anything that has to do with thinking. As illustrated by my numerous scholarly posts and his idiotic posts, my intelligence speaks for itself. As for anywaays, let’s just all feel sorry for him that he has to live his life being an idiot (who loves to copy my insults).

1) WRONG! Big crowds only show up in the state tournament games, even the RRNation only has a good 500-800 fans showing up during the regular season games, its not until the playoffs when it increases a little and then the State Title game when it explodes to 15,000+. You must be so greedy because your first and best argument for a Merger is to exploit young athletes for money. WOW! – SO YOUR DATA IS LOOKING PURELY AT AN ALL OIA VS OIA GAME? I AM LOOKING AT DATA FOR ILH VS OIA GAMES. FUNNY HOW YOU ARE CALLING ME AN IDIOT. SO IN A SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENT, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT ILH VS OIA YOU ONLY BRING UP OIA VS OIA. HAHA, NEXT?

2) WRONG! its actually the opposite, players usually use film from playing bad teams to create their highlight tape and travel to off-season camps to get recruited, That 5star D-Lineman from Farrington a few years ago got all his offers from doing good at off-season camps but his highlight reel was from when they played the weak teams like Castle and Aiea. – THIS JUST SHOWS YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BEING RECRUITED. I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE LOWER TIER SCHOOLS. BUT FOR SCHOOLS SUCH AS TOP 25 SCHOOLS, THE POSITION COACHES REQUEST GAME FILM FROM GAMES AGAINST TOP TEAMS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN MY BUDDY JOHNNY NANSEN CAME DOWN TO MEET WITH KALE ANY OF PUNAHOU AND CAL LEE OF STL, HE ASKED FOR GAME FOOTAGE OF STL PLAYING PUNAHOU AND VICE VERSA. HE ALSO ASKED FOR GAME FOOTAGE OF STL VS KAHUKU. HE NEVER ASKED FOR PUNAHOU VS DAMIEN OR PAC 5. DO YOU JUST MAKE STUFF UP? YOU DO KNOW JOHNNY IS A LOCAL BOY BEFORE HE MOVED TO LONG BEACH RIGHT?

3) “Less chance of injury” – WRONG! We dont need an OIA/ILH merger to match the bigger schools together. The OIA has enough schools to create their own 3 tier division which will solve the problem of matching small/medium/big schools. END OF STORY! CRICKETS!! – I LOVE HOW YOU CANNOT EVEN COMMENT ON THE COMMON SENSE NOTION THAT IF PHYSICALLY GIFTED ATHLETES PLAY SMALLER ATHLETES THEN INJURIES WILL GO UP. MAN YOU ARE SO DUMB! NO WONDER YOU HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND YOUR 5 USERNAMES.

4) “More meaningful games” – WRONG! We dont need a merger to have meaningful games, all we need is the OIA to create 3 tiers and it will all balance out. Kahuku already has their hands full preparing for all the competition in the OIA, heck we even lost to Kaiser a few years ago and Campbell eliminated us from the playoffs, the OIA is a gauntlet. The only people that need meaningful games is the ILH because they are bored in their 3 team conference. BOOOHOOO! stop crying! – ONCE AGAIN YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DISPEL MY ARGUMENT. YOU JUST CRY AND BITCH AND MOAN LIKE THE BITCH YOU ARE. SO YOU ARE SAYING KAHUKU PLAYING THE BOTTOM OF THE OIA D1 IS AS MEANINGFUL AS PLAYING PUNAHOU OR STL? MAN IT’S AMAZING THAT ONE PERSON CAN WRITE SO MUCH DUMB CRAP.

6) Your #6 reason is so stupid Im not even going to respond but I will say WRONG! anyway. – NOTICE WHEN PEOPLE CANNOT ARGUE THAT SOMETHING IS INCORRECT THEY WILL COME BACK WITH THE “YOUR ARGUMENT IS SO STUPID. WELL IF IT IS, PROVE IT TO US?”

LET’S BE SERIOUS anywaays, YOU ARE PRETENDING RIGHT? I CANNOT FATHOM HOW SOMEONE CAN BE SO STUPID. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PUT YOUR NAME ANYONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING THEY LIKE JUST TO GET GIGGLES.

I WILL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU ARE PLAYING. IF YOU ARE NOT, THEN I REALLY DO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.

The only idiot that speaks academics on a sports blog finally speaks sports and he makes a fool of himself. All his points are coming from the perspective of a little child that knows nothing about sports.

All I can say is that JJ and Cal validated my way of thinking by doing exactly what I conjured up a year ago.

Apr 19, 2017 – Lee and Jones have discussed leaving ILH
http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/lee-and-jones-have-discussed-leaving-ilh/

BOOM KANANI! CRICKETS!!

phILHarmonic April 25, 2017 at 1:52 pm
Ed 1st, you’re the only guy at this point that believes your own tall tales…check that, you and your other 5 user names on this site. Everyone who was here 2 years back remember you going “radio silent” as that poster who was looking for posted live updates announcing he was at the Waikiki restaurant that you claimed to be at but you where to be found. Try to find peace in your existence egghead. LOL.
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I am never silent. If I am not here like I said, I am either vacationing, or making money. Isn’t a coincidence that the numerous times that asked the moderator to prove that I am only using one IP address (other than the people copycatting me). I challenge anyone to prove me different.

Anyway, as for believing anything, you believe in trolles, unicorms, and pink ponies too right? It’s amazing how you believe anything.

What are you going to tell me next? That 88 is not too meke who also isn’t anywaays who isn’t good story? C’mon man.

I offer date and precise statistics. I notice that you don’t do that. But you interject the acronym ILH into your username since you are a wannabe. You desperately wanted to be a part of the ILH but your mommy never could afford it. Maybe ask your daddy, the gardener who had his way with your mommy and maybe you would have a chance at getting into an ILH school. But 40 years too late is a little too late isn’t it?

@education first why you butt hurt on Kahuku so much? If the education at kahuku sucks so bad then do something instead crying!