Comments on: Kam steps down as Punahou hoops coach https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:11:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Pun Alum 95 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87972 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:11:36 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87972 So true leewardhoboy. Another year where Punahou admits a lot of kids are in grade 6. I totally agree with what you say. But unfortunately, people will always throw around the “recruiting” word to take away from what these great school accomplish. And in addition to winning sports, many of the kids go to fine institutions after high school. It’s not just win a state title that really doesn’t mean much several years after you graduate and then peak at 17-18.

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By: Calvin https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87971 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:33:21 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87971 “Turth is, I don’t have to provide evidence because I have discuss this with parents who were provided financial aid for their kid to attend and play for that private school.”

Honestly I am at a lost for words now. Wow!

What school?
What sports?
What kid?

Unless you provide evidence to support this no one believes you. You are as credible as the guy sitting on th street holding a sign saying “former war vet, needs money for food.”

C’mon give it a rest. Anyone who has ever worked in a financial aid department of any ILH school knows this is BS.

Now I am not talking about scholarships or financial packages paid for by alumni or boosters. I am talking solely about getting financial assistance through the financial aid department.

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By: leewardhoboy https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87969 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:49:56 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87969 Here’s another fact about the admissions process — kids who come from a background of Hawaiian Royalty get denied admission while kids from families with no connection to the school and no history of donating to the school get admitted.

People not connected to admissions, but knowledgeable about both Punahou and Iolani will tell you that repeatedly applying for admission at every allowable entry point, and staying on the “waiting list”, significantly increases chances for admission in the future. They keep track of how badly one wants their kids to attend by repeatedly making application, and that is a positive factor when the kids are going into 7th and 9th grades where there are a lot of new openings. But if you just drop in and apply for the 9th grade so your kid can get that Punahou/Iolani diploma, you won’t get the same consideration as kids who have applied multiple times before and not been accepted.

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By: leewardhoboy https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87968 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:36:37 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87968 Its not the issue of the awarding of financial aid that is the issue with “recruiting”. Its the question of admissions, and whether Punahou coaches can work through the school’s administration to get specific kids admitted in order to play football. Its a fact that Punahou expands its classes at 7th and 9th grade, admitting more than 200 new students total. Its also a fact that those incoming classes include a lot of big Poly boys who are new to the school, and end up playing football and other sports — but almost all of them play football.

Because academics are so difficult, the school and the admissions office would be doing a disservice to kids who are not prepared to keep up, even with all the academic support that the schools offer. So I don’t think they admit kids solely on the basis of their athletic abilities. The kids must also meet the academic profile to the degree necessary to survive in the classroom. But do the coaches search out those kids? Or more accurately, is there a pipeline of information in the community that runs from youth football programs to the coaching staffs of the private schools that identifies for them kids when they are 12-14 who look to have the makings of top players? Absolutely.

But the admissions decision and financial aid decision are completely separate. If a kid is admitted, and the family qualifies for financial aid, the kid is going to get it whether he plays sports or not. It just happens that many of the Poly players who come in at the 7th and 9th grade entry points come from backgrounds where they are clearly going to quality for aid under the guidelines in place for all students. I think the schools have a well-earned reputation — allowed by their endowments — that no kid who is accepted for admission is turned away because the family can’t afford the tuition.

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By: Pun Alum 95 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87967 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:26:15 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87967 “Truth is, I don’t have to provide evidence because I have discuss this matter with parents who were provided financial aid for their kid to attend and play for that private school.”

Sure you did! HAHAH! Truth is, I am a billionaire and I own two islands. You should come visit sometime.

I don’t have to provide evidence! LOL! Buddy, you don’t have any evidence. That is why you cannot provide any.

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By: Pun Alum 95 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87966 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:24:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87966 Mr. Northshore, I have noticed that many people have asked you to show any kind of evidence. Instead you only can make assumptions and accusations. I will make this simple.

Do you have any evidence to offer to support your claim? Buddy, it seems no one believes you. And I have to be honest. If you think composing an argument consists of not having to prove it without any sort of evidence, I find it hard to believe that your children are highly educated since you are their role model. But then again, anyone can come on a blog and say anything so I can do it too.

I am a senior adviser to President Barack Obama. I have no evidence. I am just saying it so believe me. Hey, I can do it too. I am just like you.

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By: Northshore https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87953 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:46:07 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87953 @Calvin: I’m impressed that you have worked in the financial aid department at various schools. You’re making accusations like a child that has nothing to do with the issue of financial aid such as mentioning about my favorite team not winning or it’s not these schools fault for your kid not receiving financial aid. Truth of the matter is, I would never have sent them to a private school and they’re doing very well after receiving their degree. It’s all about how each individual seeks to reach their goal in life and public school kids have done exceptionally well, I’m fully aware that monies are awarded based on need and not athletics. But the driving force of having the athlete’s parents fill out the application comes from the coaches that are trying to recruit the athlete and there’s no secret behind that. If an athlete is accepted through the financial aid process and if their grades are sub-par, tutoring are provided for them so that they would be able to meet the grade requirements and that would make them eligible to play. Com-on man, what happens behind the scene is no secret and calling me ignorant and dumb is a reflection of your ignorance. Truth is, I don’t have to provide evidence because I have discuss this matter with parents who were provided financial aid for their kid to attend and play for that private school.

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By: Calvin https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87944 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 03:37:24 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87944 Hello I have worked at MPI, Punahou, and Sacred Hearts in the financial aid department. At no time were there any meetings with the principals, trustees, AD’s or within our department to discuss giving aid to certain kids based on athletics. Providing financial aid is simple. A family fills out the application. Our department in additional to the external company that is subcontracted checks the families financial history. Monies are awarded based on the need. I find it offensive that some people make asinine comments without doing their due diligence on how the process works. It’s amazing that anything can be written on here with no burden of proof. And what’s worse is this process involves kids. North shore please do some research before you comment about things you obviously do not understand was clearly written since you need to make excuses on why your “favorite” team didn’t win. Truth be told it’s not these schools fault that your kid didn’t receive financial aid.

I love how hala tree even copied the words straight from the website that says “financial aid is awarded based on need and not athletics.” And your so ignorant that you keep fighting it. Yeah you know more than the public statement. So dumb some people.

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By: Northshore https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87939 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 01:32:14 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87939 @Hala Tree: Isn’t $6.3 million in financial aid provided to attend Punahou enough to be used as evidence? Providing names of people receiving the aid as evidence isn’t necessary. You know and I know and the recipients know and by you acting naive about the subject isn’t going to prove anything. It’s happening and I rest my case. Have a happy holiday season and a Happy New Year…safe and in good health. Wish your athletes at Punahou the best in sports.

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By: Hala Tree https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-basketball/kam-steps-down-as-punahou-hoops-coach/comment-page-1/#comment-87938 Tue, 27 Dec 2016 01:04:42 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=83013#comment-87938 @Northshore, May I ask which teams are using financial aid to recruit when if you visit almost all of the ILH School’s financial aid pages, it clearly states that financial assistance is based up financial need and not academics, sports, music, art, dance, etc.

Do you know something that the leadership in all these schools do not?

If you don’t and you are unable to offer any specific example to support your statement, don’t you think that is pretty shallow to accuse the ILH or schools of doing something without evidence?

I may be wrong, but in the US aren’t we supposed to provide evidence when an opinion is presented? No offense sir, but after 4-5 posts you haven’t offered any yet. You are just slinging accusations and creating stereotypes.

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