Comments on: To play another day: Bowl possibilities for good, non-qualifying teams? https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:12:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Chloropicrin https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125988 Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:12:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125988 Sumida Watercress Bowl
Waikiki Bowl
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By: Observation https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125970 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:54:07 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125970 @Falcon Future,

If @Paul Honda can verify that would be helpful, however that is how understood it to be.

My only issue was the comment that suggests any post season play other the state tournament was somehow to placate mediocre teams. Or to suggests that this is “let’s give everyone a trophy” bowl game. I find those comments out of bounds considering the work and effort by coaches and players since week one of June. And the successes achieved on the field of play.

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125969 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:39:45 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125969 @Observation, thanks for the info. Can @Paul Honda confirm the details of the ILH as fact? If so then I certainly feel for Pac-5, but at the same time it basically means they got left in the dust and were not shown much respect by their own peers in ILH.

The rules of the HHSAA states are set (just like the contract), and a 1-team league does not qualify for states. No getting around that unfortunately. However, if the 2-year OIA-ILH contract is finished this year, then Pac-5 definitely should declare for D1 next year.

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125967 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:27:12 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125967 @Paul Honda, You keep bringing up Damien vs. Konawaena in 1991 as if it were yesterday. There was no state tournament and no divisions in 1991. Now we have 3 divisions and 3 state tournaments.

Konawaena was the BIIF champ and got left out of postseason in 1991. Damien was ILH runner-up (better than Punahou and Kamehameha that year!). Of course that was a intriguing match up to make … 28 years ago!!! That situation does not happen today because there are three levels of state tournaments.

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By: Observation https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125965 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:58:50 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125965 At this point it is not about suggesting a sudden rule change that allows a team like Pac5 into the state tournament. But, I don’t think that a bowl series outside of the State tournament is diminishing to any team in that series nor is it somehow providing a message of enablement or giving everyone a trophy. These boys know the difference.

But, to suggest this bowl game the week of the final game of the season is an insult. Teams like Pac5 did not budget for this and unlikely to participate.

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By: Observation https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125964 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:49:10 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125964 @Falcon Future,
A little education: No, Pac5 could not just move up to DI. There was a two-year contract (this being the second year of that contract) between the OIA and ILH. Part of the contract was that there would be representation by both leagues in each division. If Pac5 had moved up, there would be no ILH team in Div2, violating the contract. There was a request for either Damien or Iolani to move down to Div2 since Kamehameha agreed to move down to Div1. This, so that the remaining Div1 ILH team (if either Iolani or Damien had moved down) would not be stuck with the HHSAA ruling. Both of those teams (Damien and Iolani) declined and ILH did nothing after that point. This was not a decision available to Pac5. It was a decision made over the summer by administrators beyond the reach of the team.

So, again why does Pac5 not qualify for their (earned) spot in the D2 tournament?

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125963 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:30:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125963 @Observation, This has been discussed before. Pac-5 does not qualify because they are the one and only ILH team in D2. The state tournament does not accept a 1-team league and rightfully so.

Here’s the thing. Pac-5 and ILH knew about this since last year when St. Francis went out of business. Pac-5 could have and should have moved up to D1 with Iolani and Damien and that would at least give them a shot at competing for a state title.

Yes, Pac-5 is behind Iolani and Damien right now, but not that far behind. It certainly could not be considered a dangerous situation for the boys if Pac-5 had to play against Iolani and Damien.

I don’t know if ILH and Pac-5 made this decision together. Did ILH force Pac-5 to stay D2? Did Pac-5 truly fight to move up to D1? I don’t know. Hopefully it is a lesson learned and Pac-5 declares for D1 next year. Keep them in D1 and I bet they raise their level of play over the next few years.

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By: Oily Oilz https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125962 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:25:36 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125962 @ Falcon Future Shut up you support Kalani

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125961 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:18:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125961 In reply to Hee-Haw.

Aloha Hee-Haw. I also see a certain, aesthetic beauty in keeping things simple. In the 1970s, we had the National League and American League West and East Divisions. Two teams made the playoffs in each league, then the World Series. Basic. We also had “only” eight or 10 college football bowl games. And, of course, the Oahu Prep Bowl.
Guess what? Most teams only played seven or eight games if they missed the playoffs. Nobody likes that. Everybody loves one more game.
The Neighbor Island Football Classic was interesting, but again, with only three leagues participating, it had its limitations. I covered those games in the 1990s and they were fantastic sometimes. However, there’s nothing like matchups between Oahu programs and Neighbor Island programs. Fans love it. Teams love it. That’s why the ’91 game between Damien, arguably the second-best team in the ILH that season, and Konawaena (at the tail end of its dynasty) was so intriguing.

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/to-play-another-day-bowl-possibilities-for-good-non-qualifying-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-125960 Thu, 10 Oct 2019 20:12:40 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108842#comment-125960 In reply to Falcon Future.

Falcon Future, thank you for responding. I see your points. I don’t look at an exhibition (bowl) game as “enablement.” On the contrary, these kids and coaches worked very hard for months and months. If they can find another game against another good team, MORE POWER TO THEM. This has nothing to do with the state tournament, not “creating another level” of anything. If Pac-Five can play Konawaena or Kealakehe or Hilo or HPA or Kamehameha-Maui, that’s up to them. It would be good football. And everything I saw in that 1991 Damien-Konawaena game was proof positive that it is possible, and wonderful. I challenge you to find one athlete or coach from that game who would agree with you about “enablement.” Sheesh…

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