Comments on: Sources: ‘Iolani football moving up to D-I

By: Northshore

Northshore — Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:51:54 +0000

@???: True! Based on your comment, “you never know what size, talent or how many players you will have on your team year to year and get smashed by elite teams and sometimes have all the talent and size and smash teams.” It would be unfair to use “enrollment”, either way, up or down as a criteria because as an example for Oahu’s high school enrollment, Waipahu (4), Moanalua (8), Pearl City (12), Kahuku (14). Revert back to the old ILH and ROIA. ILH: Kaiser, Kaimuki, Mckinley, Kalani, Roosevelt, Moanalua, Farrington, St Louis, Kamehameha, Punahou, Iolani, Damien, St Francis, Pac-5. ROIA: Kailua, Kalaheo, Castle, Kahuku, Waialua, Leilehua, Mililani, Kapolei, Campbell, Waianae, Nanakuli, Pearl City, Aiea, Radford.

By: locomoco

locomoco — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:29:05 +0000

The problem with the divisions is the arbitrary, self-selecting way it’s handled. Open should be opt-in. Div. I and II should be determined based on criteria including male student enrollment 9-12, and historical success over time (5 years mentioned above seems fair). Div. II teams can opt up for a set number of years; Div. I teams based on the enrollment/recent success criteria shouldn’t be able to opt down ever.

By: ???

??? — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:27:59 +0000

As a coach you never know what size, talent or how many players you will have on your team year to year, so sometimes you may move to DI with no talent or size and get smashed by elite teams and sometimes you may move down to DII and have all the talent & size and smash teams. My only problem is with coach Look complaining about being in DII. You win some you lose some, “That’s Life”

By: Coach B

Coach B — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:49:31 +0000

???,
I’m not arguing about where Iolani should be placed. Where we disagree is how teams should be placed. What I am arguing is that divisional placement should incorporate more than just historic success, where as you seem to be blindly arguing against an Iolani team that has already moved up to a more competitive division even though no one was really arguing that Iolani played at an appropriate level last year considering their record and outcome.

What I was suggesting was that a criteria for divisional placement should incorporate school size, historic success over the last 5 years or so, and team turn out. Based on the ILH criteria, Iolani qualified for the higher divisions based on its school size, and was in D1 for a couple years due to its recent success in D2. Where they may not have met the criteria for divisional promotion was in team turn out, but that is a somewhat arbitrary assumption.

This criteria might work a little better than the current system where teams can just declare their division. It would prevent a situation like Kaiser over the past few years where they were bumped up to OIA D1 due to their D2 success and decent student body size, but their team turnouts fell off a cliff after coaching turnover and they were forced to stay at D1.

It also might mitigate a situation like Saint Francis where they moved down a division arbitrarily for this coming season. Their student body and team turnout don’t seem to have changed dramatically, and they played for the ILH title. However, they are moving down to get a competitive advantage. If there is no objective reason for them to move down. If they had gone winless in D1 or if there was an unusually large graduating class that would’ve gutted the roster that would have made this a different situation, but that isn’t the case.

I’m not arguing for or against Iolani’s divisional placement. If anything I think Iolani moving up to D1 poses a greater challenge for them. However, I am arguing for a more reasonable criteria for divisional placement for all teams. You seem to be getting fixated on Iolani’s situation where as I am looking for equitable treatment for all teams.

By: Eddy Furst

Eddy Furst — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:27:46 +0000

Coach Wendell Look is hands down the best pure HS football coach in Hawaii and one of the nation’s elite. Iolani’s limited roster is perpetually undersized and undertalented compared to the ILH Big 3 but always managed to be competitive and even beat them straight up once in a while. Look managed to beat St Francis who has them outgunned in size and talent as well. St Francis coaches aren’t great teachers and motivators like Look, in fact they’re not even below average. You Haters are a joke and need to be watch cartoons to raise your IQs.

By: ???

??? — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 15:26:06 +0000

Coach B,
You have just proven my point! those OIA teams you just named not winning a state championship is true, also true is none of those teams EVER cry about being in DI no matter what type of size or numbers they have as a TEAM.
I don’t see Iolani wanting to go to DII in basketball, volleyball or baseball. “Why” cause they win!
A few years back Iolani was undersized compared to St Louis but still won so STOP whining.

By: DumbViking

DumbViking — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:53:40 +0000

Vikingspride. You have no clue what you talking about. Iolani went down, those two teams didn’t jump ship, Iolani did. How does that even make sense and fyi both Damien and Stf beat the crap out of Iolani last year. Now we will see how the ILH matches up with the OIA on a pretty even scale.

By: Vikingspride

Vikingspride — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 23:03:09 +0000

ILH is a mess because of the lack of teams. You saw when Iolani declared for DII, Damien and St. Francis immediately jumped ship to DI for states because they’ll still get the same competition but without Iolani for a state berth. My opinion that is not how these divisions are supposed to work.

By: ILH

ILH — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:52:10 +0000

They got it right.

That division that is better than the wailua’s and the Pac-Fives but not good enough for the Mililani’s or Kamehameha’s.

Now the real issue, St. Francis has no business being in D-2 based on talent alone. Theyre stacked. All they need is coaching and they will be dangerous.

By: Ldub20 Owl 316

Ldub20 Owl 316 — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 04:12:16 +0000

People are acting as if Iolani is gonna play St. Louis and Punahou. Newsflash: they ain’t playing teams that’ll crush them. I think they match up well with teams like Kailua, Castle, and Aiea. Those teams won’t overpower them the way the Big 3 did. There ain’t as much of a size advantage over Iolani as there was when they played the Big 3.