Comments on: Pupule’s ballot: No. 1a or No. 1b? https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:44:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: bandits1 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-1136 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:44:35 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-1136 ^^^Not to mention the OIA Red West. Just as talented and much deeper than the ILH D1.

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-1051 Fri, 13 Sep 2013 22:39:48 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-1051 If the ILH’s big 3 take turns beating each other, these ballots/lists will be even funner to do…

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By: bandits1 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-943 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 21:30:17 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-943 Paul, you’re exactly right that Top 10/20/25/whatever polls are more art than science — it’s very much subjectivity and guessing unless all the teams involved have actually played each other head-to-head.

Being that these top 10s are at least partially subjective, in my mind they should be ranked in order of who could beat who in a five-game series. Sure anybody can beat anybody else in a one-shot deal(Villanova over Georgetown, 1985), but could they beat them in a series? I say no D2 team, including Iolani, could beat any top 10 D1 team in a five-game series, thus I’d be hard pressed to include a D2 team on a top 10 poll.

That said, here is what I posted on another local website with a couple of adjustments:

1) Kamehameha
2) Leilehua
3) Punahou
4) St Louis
5) Mililani
6) Kahuku
7) Campbell
8) Waianae
9) McKinley
10) Kapolei

…I originally had Campbell at #6 and Kahuku at #7, and McKinley at #8 and Waianae at #9, but I flip-flopped those pairs here. We’ll see what happens this week and next.

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-937 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 13:16:02 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-937 bandits1, that’s a good point. If ‘Iolani and Kaiser have just one loss each, to D-I teams in the Top 10 (Leilehua, Campbell), why isn’t Kaiser there, too (like ‘Iolani)?

For me, after seeing both Kaiser and ‘Iolani play D-I teams, ‘Iolani was the much more competitive team. The Raiders led Leilehua 21-14 in the first half before losing. When the Cougars played Campbell, they trailed all the way and the offense could barely move the ball.

It’s not like I thought it out this far when I voted over the weekend. But if you want an explanation, that’s as close as it gets. It’ll always be more art than science. I’d be interested to see what your ballot would look like.

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By: bandits1 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 04:07:51 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-934 “Again, like ‘Iolani, it’ll be tough sledding for the Cougars in the polls. It’ll be tougher, actually, for the Cougars. ‘Iolani will get their shots at the ILH’s D-I giants. Kaiser has a D-II slate the rest of the way.”

I get that since Kaiser doesn’t get to “prove” themselves against any more D1 opponents like Iolani does, it’ll be harder for them to crack the Star Advertiser top 10. But what I don’t get is if Iolani loses their D1 match ups, it won’t really count against them too much as far as making the top 10 goes — right? It’s ridiculous to have regular season games that only count if you win and not so much if you lose just because it’s D1 vs D2.

Both Kaiser and Iolani lost by a fair margin against their D1 opponents earlier this season, both smashed Kalani but the Cougars scored more and allowed fewer points than Iolani did, and so far only the Cougars have a quality win(vs Radford). Unless you’re basing this season’s top 10 lists on the past, why isn’t Kaiser the one ranked right next to/instead of Iolani?

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By: Helping the Helping Hand https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-927 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:00:09 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-927 He was referring to campbell having leilehua on the ropes last week. “Seariders have some impressive early-season wins. Sabers are almost there. They had Leilehua on the ropes a bit a few weeks ago. ”

“they” refers to “sabers.” Although it is a little confusing just dropping in campbell like that.

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-923 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:34:34 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-923 Noaguchi, thank you for reminding me. I totally forgot the BIIF changed the schedule format. Part of me wonders if that’s one reason programs at Kohala and Ka‘u had trouble getting numbers out in the summer. Probably not. But the previous format that separated D-I and D-II was a plus for those smaller programs. Wasn’t it some years back when the smaller programs outright refused to play Kealakehe?

As for Konawaena and Kealakehe, that’ll be a fun matchup. Too bad they couldn’t play the past few years. Either side told me they were ready and willing, that the other team wouldn’t do it. The gate revenue can’t hurt. I like the picture fog rolling into Julian Yates Field during warmups … it would be nuts!

808Football, a lot of fans like you and me want a format that brings out the best teams. But the process of change is very … well … democratic. It comes down to this: every year in the past five or six, when a proposal to expand the state tourney (D-I) back to eight teams is up for vote, the ILH has voted against it. That, essentially, kills it since the OIA and ILH outnumber the rest of the leagues in any voting.

I’d love to see an at-large team among the eight. Would the gate revenue offset the travel costs of having an additional neighbor island team? Or would that eighth team (with an ILH team being the seventh) automatically be from the OIA. Not everyone from the OIA wants to see more OIA teams in any state tourney. The league already represents roughly half of all entries in every state-championship sport.

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By: Billy Hull https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-922 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:26:34 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-922 Interesting 808Football. I get it that the state tournament doesn’t feature the top six teams in the state going in, but don’t you still get the best team winning it all? If you’re the best team in the state, shouldn’t you win your conference and get into the state tournament as is? If you don’t, how can you be considered the best team?

You have a point that the best six teams don’t take up the six spots in the Division I state tournament, but looking at past champions Kahuku x2 and Saint Louis, I feel like the best team in the state won it all each time.

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By: 808Football https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-916 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:05:47 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-916 Who is going to be the best high school football team in Hawaii at the end of the season? We will never know, unless the HHSAA make changes in who qualifies for state football playoffs. The playoffs should have the stateʻs best teams. Not just put teams in because of location or amount of teams in your division. Letʻs have the stateʻs top ten teams based on voters from around the state in the playoffs! just like the BCS and NCAA does. First round would have 4 games with top 1 and 2 getting byes until 3rd round. This will truly determine Hawaiiʻs best football team! As of today, 5 football teams out of the your top ten would not even qualify for playoffs according to HHSAA rules. Sadly, we will never know who would be crowned State Champion!

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By: Noaguchi https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/pupules-ballot-no-1a-or-no-1b/comment-page-1/#comment-915 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 03:48:46 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=12917#comment-915 Paul you wrote that you’d like to see a Kealakehe vs Konawaena game, well check this year’s BIFF schedule as both play on Saturday, 10/12 at Kealakehe 7:30pm. This year, all BIFF teams play each other once (instead of teams playing each other twice in their respective division). Thought behind the change this year is probably due to money being made available for the teams to travel, and it preps the Div II teams to play other neighbor island teams i.e. Oahu teams should they advance past the first round of playoffs. Hope you’ll get a chance to get to Kona that weekend.

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