Maybe the state should cut through the chase & interleague the island of Oahu. Make it into 2 divisions (East & West) & play out a full regular season schedule. Play the division championships to seed 6 total teams from each division ( 3 from each division). All 6 teams to the state for a playoff. As far as the outer island, I don’t think anyone care because they haven’t showed up to a state tournament yet.

i love how the memory of St. Louis’ dominance/recruiting in days past has cast an aurora on today’s ILH teams being better than they are. That the ILH is a stronger conference. I would like to see St. Louis play Waianae.

After everything is said and done the ILH is still 7 out of 17. This format change just feels shady. The naming of the division (open division). Doesn’t really plan on future expansion (division 3…division 4). That schools can stay in D1? If they are not D1, then they should be in D2. I don’t wonder, I’m positive that both ILH teams will never face each other in the first round. The teams will be ranked, St. Louis an punahoe will be side by side (always) that way they will never play each other in the first round.

If you haven’t seen what Punahou has done to Kamehameha. Than you really need to think about St. Louis playing Waianae. Punahou just showed how weak Kamehameha was & that the game they loss to Waianae is irrelevant in any conversation. Waianae along with Farrington is the OIA’s yearly “one & done” state tournament turnouts. And if you’ve seen what happens to Mililani last night I think everyone would know why they whole OIA is whining about the new format. The OIA is what, 10 of 17 in state tournaments? But the percentages of winning is 4 OIA to 1 ILH. Now that the new format is in play people tend to cry about the ILH’s 2nd seed rather than looks at how weak the OIA’s 2 & 3 seeds are. And seriously, why would you put the 2 ILH teams in the same bracket? Its like the BCS playoff seeding 1 &2 in the 1st round.

Smh

i love how the memory of St. Louis’ dominance/recruiting in days past has cast an aurora on today’s ILH teams being better than they are. That the ILH is a stronger conference. I would like to see St. Louis play Waianae.

After everything is said and done the ILH is still 7 out of 17. This format change just feels shady. The naming of the division (open division). Doesn’t really plan on future expansion (division 3…division 4). That schools can stay in D1? If they are not D1, then they should be in D2. I don’t wonder, I’m positive that both ILH teams will never face each other in the first round. The teams will be ranked, St. Louis an punahoe will be side by side (always) that way they will never play each other in the first round.

I enjoy the conversation.

Recruiting is the name of the game Jason. I am fine with it. If Kahuku (or any other school) put out a better product and it was free, there would be no need to change schools or go to schools out of your community.

But when you school consistently ranks near the bottom for academics, what do you expect the parents to go?

Sports might be the vehicle to get to Punahou, but the kids still have to do the work. And trust me, it isn’t that easy for many of them.

I read a lot of people complaining about recruiting. I bet these are the same people who think it’s unfair for Alabama and Ohio State to recruit and that is the reason why UH sucks.

Recruiting is fair game. If you look at the root, there is a lack of confidence in the public school in the community for many of these families choosing to leave.

I have to humbly disagree with I Love 88. Northshore definitely writes much better than a 3rd grader! I take offense to that. Northshore has the ability of at least a 5th grader! C’mon guys! Give that lady a hug and a smile! After all, as a community we need to support parents that have failed their children.

When her son wanted to go the movies with his friends, Northshore had no extra change. When her son wanted some loose change to get snacks, there was none. And when her son wanted to buy books from Scholastic.com like the other kids, there was no money.

Of course Northshore will be bitter and have spite. She has failed her son. Don’t worry Northshore we forgive you! I am not sure your son does though.

For pretty much all team sports, this is the case. When teams are placed in the bracket, HHSAA tries to not matchup ILH with each other in the first round or OIA. OIA has much more teams in the draw than ILH so usually what they do is attempt to make it so that two OIA from the same division doesn’t play each other in the first round.

It’s not an ILH conspiracy. It’s just how it is and HHSAA and coaches (a lot of the seeding meetings are done with representatives from each league present) do their best to make it a positive experience for the kids. You guys should actually volunteer and coach at your local public school so that you can see how this process works.

i love how the memory of St. Louis’ dominance/recruiting in days past has cast an aurora on today’s ILH teams being better than they are. That the ILH is a stronger conference. I would like to see St. Louis play Waianae.

After everything is said and done the ILH is still 7 out of 17. This format change just feels shady. The naming of the division (open division). Doesn’t really plan on future expansion (division 3…division 4). That schools can stay in D1? If they are not D1, then they should be in D2. I don’t wonder, I’m positive that both ILH teams will never face each other in the first round. The teams will be ranked, St. Louis an punahoe will be side by side (always) that way they will never play each other in the first round.

I enjoy the conversation.

I would look back at the old data, except I really dont believe the data that I would need to prove to you would be there. Come on, they don’t even list St. Louis’ weight on the team roster now days, I doubt they listed the players birthdays then.

If 5th year seniors were not the reason for the dominance, then why was that the sticking point that held up the championship era? Because they knew that they benifited from their self serving policy. If you have another reason as to why they did so well prior to the championship era, please share it with me.

Hi Jason, 88 and I would like to comment. While St. Louis had a few 5th yer seniors, they weren’t that many. Joe Dano, the former VP during the 80-90’s told me that typically there were like 3-5 on a team if that many.

Some reasons St. Louis started to not be as dominant could be:
-Punahou started to recruit. This saturated the market for talent.
-St. Louis did not have the same amount of monetary resources available to recruit. As their football boosters got older and started to pass away, the younger stl alum didn’t invest as much money into the football program. That means they didn’t get the same talent.
-Cal Lee got lethargic. Do you know how challenging it is to coach for 20-25 years and winning around 13 straight titles in that time. It’s quite difficult to challenge yourself to be excellent after winning for so long.
-As the St. Louis enrollment went down and cost of operating the school went up, there was not as much monies put into athletics. Look around, not only football got worse, but boys basketball has fallen off the map from about 2005-present. When was the last time STL Basketball made states?

These are all possible reasons St. Louis stopped winning. To say a few 5th year seniors impacted his success without any empirical evidence would be negligent at it’s worse.

That would be the same kind of statement like Kahuku has older kids due to kids having to repeat grades due to poor academics. Or the kids who moved to Kahuku from American Samoa have inaccurate Birth Certificates since the birth data in American Samoa isn’t as accurate as in the US.

It’s just all speculation. FYI, most of these ideas are from 88. He and I are watching the Pacific sipping on some Shirley Temples. I love 88 a lot.