Comments on: McKinley to forfeit last 2 football games

By: Billy Da Warrior

Billy Da Warrior — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 22:57:23 +0000

Praise Cho doing great but the reality is he lost to Anuenue with a great roster. And from what I heard of that game and he went in cocky and unprepared, which seems to be to be his modus operandi. Let’s remember he had a stacked team when he made strides in the Red division and none of it had to do with him and more with what he was working with (the players). He could have ran any defense and he would have had the same result. However, Kudos to him for creating a big boys league (if he did that by himself?) and taking the team to Oregon but really he didn’t do much to bring pride or a sense of winning to the community. The truth is the mass exodus of players you noted happened during and because of Cho’s tenure. He is not a good coach! He is not a good coach and all did is inherit a good group of kids. So please don’t twist facts to suit your argument cause the guy did nothing for the kids (get kids to the next level, keep kids eligible, etc.) or the school.

By: J.C.

J.C. — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 07:54:48 +0000

Yes…i understand what Bo was saying bout the 2012 season and giving credit to Cho but I’m also saying that you would then have to give Bobby Grey credit for defeating Kahuku in 2006 14-13 at Tiki (then #2 ranked Kahuku)…which was Bobby’s first season at the helm & wouldn’t it speak volumes on the win rather than losing 35-6? Because as you previously mentioned…Grey was an ulcer but you have to give him his just due (tigers did go to the red division playoffs in 2006 as the #3 overall East seed) & team wise I think that was a better team than Thias’ senior season but that’s just my opinion. I also believe that team held Crusaders to 6-0 thru 3Q in the pre-season opener @ Kaiser eventually losing 20-7. I’m not the biggest fan of Bobby but he did do positive things but he lost a lot of good coaches that was with him from the start. He still is a very good position coach & I think with the right players he would be a good OC. Hmmm…well Thias was a community kid & I’m guessing he had many uncles….I didn’t remember him playing for the Gladiators but I do remember hearing about him running up & down some stairs w/ 30lbs weighted gear and I heard he was training since his intermediate days with some family friends through his years at McKinley. You might want to ask the Tuitele’s who was really responsible for training Thias and producing some of the players that directly benefited Cho because I don’t ever remember a kid jumping straight to Varsity as a freshman at MHS and as you said….Coach Cho arrived at MHS at the same time as Thias’ 9th grade season!! But is any of this past history really helping with what is presently happening at McKinley????

By: 88

88 — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 06:05:15 +0000

Yeah the Tigers walked into Laie and gave up 130 yards and 1 td to Wily and 120 yards and 2 TD to Kahuku’s full back. 35 to 6 was the final. Thats what you guys consider great defense? No wonder the Tigers are terrible.

By: hiro

hiro — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:07:10 +0000

@J.C….. as for that kahuku game, i think @Bo was taking about the 2012 season, game was played at kahuku (kahuku’s homecoming). Grey was apart of the offense under Pohai Lee who was the OC during Cho’s last 2 seasons….. Grey had no part of Cho’s defense.

By: hiro

hiro — Fri, 25 Sep 2015 04:01:32 +0000

@J.C….. good points, but Thias did play big boys….. Kalihi Gladiators…….. and his uncle trained him very well in between seasons all the way till Thias graduated.

By: J.C.

J.C. — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:42:13 +0000

Oh…sorry I didn’t clarify bout that Game @ Mililani 2 weeks after the Red Raiders. It wasn’t against the Trojans but was a OC-16 game vs. the Govs for the OIA East Title and eventual #1 East Playoff Seed. It was huge because the #1 seed got a automatic jump into the quarterfinals and we ended #3 with a first rd. game vs. Mules. Also Hiro….i hope when you mean Tanuvasa dynasty…..you putting Moeava as his fait accompli as he was a disciple and chosen successor. But Grey really inherited kids that was a direct result of the staff Moeava had and many ended up on Bobby staff (including Moeava later 3 yrs later) and I agree and mentioned that is the problem at MHS…Grey ended up neglecting the JV (Coach Tony being installed as the JV HC was tragic) and by the end he just didn’t have fundamentally sound kids on the varsity….the same can be said of Coach Cho….Hiro, Thias and those Wela Boys & a group of other kids in the program really didn’t play any Big Boys football…..so how do you think they eventually evolved into players that were so beneficial to Coach Cho’s program? Remember Coach Cho didn’t implement the Metro Tigers until Thias’ Jr season and before then….Coach Cho really didn’t do anything in the off-season due to the hands off rule.

By: J.C.

J.C. — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 23:23:06 +0000

Guys…all the Coaches past and present have done good & bad….it’s all part of Coaching. And Hiro….i totally agree with you on the Big Boys League issue and that Coach Cho worked to establish the Metro Tigers….however his tenure didn’t allow him to see it through. Plus it’s a league team that at time conflicts with HS football and with all league teams although they carry the Tigers name….the kids not necessarily end up being funneled into the program. @Braddah Bo…love the comments and I’m not taking away from anything that Coach Cho’s record show but if you are giving credit to Cho stopping Afoaga….then I HATE TO SAY IT BECAUSE I WAS THERE FOR THE GAME AND KNOW WHO REALLY GAME PLANNED THE WEEK LEADING UP TO THE GAME but Bobby defeated Coach Torres’ Kahuku team and we were up 2 TD’s at Mililani 2 weeks later with the OIA EAST Title & a Playoff 1st Rd bye in reach in 3Q but well Bobby is Bobby and he just didn’t listen bout playing our stud players both ways and by the 4Q we were gassed. But I’m in total agreement Bo….the past is the past….unless you are named Cal Lee….it’s very rare for a former HC to come back at that same school in the same capacity. The current HC and AD are not going anywhere…so the alumnus needs to support the kids and program. As Hiro said…if he believes that Coach Cho wasn’t given a fair shake….look what’s being said about Coach Cantiberos and this is his first year and he hasn’t been able to implement anything (if we are all in agreement that the OIA did an injustice in not re-structuring the OIA RED & White divisions and leaving a 1-8 2014 team with even less returnees in the RED Division and with a schedule that included then #1 trojans, #3 Red Raiders, and #6 Waianae and previously ranked Kaiser in the front end of their schedule).

By: BraddahBo

BraddahBo — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 20:00:23 +0000

This is a shame, I don’t feel as if Cantiberos was the right HC choice for McK. There’s too much bashing of Cho here but let’s look at the facts. Tanuvasa was an immensely great coach. After he resigned, the program did go down under. Cho comes in and brings the program back to being respectable. The main undermining issue that plagues Cho during his tenure was the lack of cooperation from the parents and vice versa. I don’t know why people fail to give Cho his credit. His W-L column broke even until 2014 when he resigned. Making that jump from being an average team in Div 2 to being a competitive team in Div1 is no easy feat. Cho’s defense with a team that literally was 30 – 40 players strong was able to go in and compete with the Kahukus and the Farringtons (back to back I might add). We’re talking about perennially undersized talent with the obvious exception of a few and an extremely, extremely porous offense. Just because you don’t like him. Cho deserves the credit. If you still want to argue about if Cho deserves credit or not, go ask Reggie Torres if he deserves any credit after that time when he and the Tigers marched into Laie in ’12 and effectively gave Aofaga Wily one of his worst statistical games that season with a crew of 11 that played both ways and on special teams. Let’s stop arguing about Cho, and let’s start looking at what this school and their administration can do for this football team.

By: hiro

hiro — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:22:05 +0000

@J.C…… the developmental from the jv? HA, like i said, people dont like changes. What does Farrington, Kahuku, Mililani, Campbell/Kapolei have in common? They all have successfull Big Boy programs (Jr. Prep Sports)…… those big boy teams mimic their high school colors, playbook and also have the backing of the high school coaches….. thats exactly what Cho started, he wanted to start the kids from middle school and build a sense of pride for mckinley so he created the Metro Tigers since their in the Metropolitan area. Practice at the school, host games there and also have the team colors. But of course that didnt get shut down but it was moved to ala moana park, by who??? “Changes” somthing that is hard to except here. Cho came back with the formula that helped him be successful in Oregon but he was never given a shot cause of his outside the comfort zone thinkng…..

By: hiro

hiro — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:41:15 +0000

@J.C….. you talking about the Grey regime? I really hate bashing coaches but Bobby Grey was an ulcer in the McKinley program. Grey did well his first season because he was playing off of Tanuvasa’s dynasty but once Grey took complete control of the program we spiraled south. At rock bottom, McKinley was less than a handful of players away for forfeit….. Cho’s started at mck #44 9th grade yr, he was only 1yr younger then kui, walker etc…. so Cho actually had them a yr in jv also….