Comments on: King of the road: Kahuku is No. 1 for sixth week in a row https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Thu, 16 Dec 2021 04:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-135140 Thu, 16 Dec 2021 04:27:21 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-135140 The only thing that the Kahuku Football Team provides for folks like me is to play the same role, in HHSAA tournament games, that the Washington Generals played for the Harlem Globetrotters. They provide and serve no other purpose; what you stated in your conclusionary sentence is strictly of value, if there is any, to folks like you.

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-135138 Thu, 16 Dec 2021 04:16:34 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-135138 The only thing that the Kahuku Football Team provides folks like me is to play the same role in HHSAA tournament games that the Washington Generals played for the Harlem Globetrotters.

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-135137 Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:54:20 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-135137 KHS ‘04 No, it is absolutely not incorrect to assert that that Kahuku, pre 1989, was nothing more than an occasional champion, not a perennial one. Waialua, Waipahu, Kailua, Waianae were leading contenders, even in seasons when they were not league champions. Your opinion that anything asserted about Kahuku pre 1989 is incorrect is opinion in personem. You consider that a mere 7 league championships in 33 seasons qualifies Kahuku as being more than an occasional champion. That is an average of a championship for every 4-5 seasons, easily disqualifying your attempt to portray Kahuku as anything more than an occasional champion. I understand that Kahuku does not enjoy an enviable academic reputation, so your attempt to falsely portray its football program as something which it demonstrably is not is an understandable effort, vain and self illusory though it is. Kailua was a multiple time league finalist in the 70’s and a multi season playoff participant in the 80’s, they were league runner up and represented their league in the first runner up game of the Prep Bowl in 1987 and played in that game again in 1991. They were legitimately perennial contenders and among the leading teams in their league.

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-135136 Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:38:24 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-135136 KHS ‘04 No, it is absolutely not incorrect to assert that that Kahuku, pre 1989, was nothing more than an occasional champion, not a perennial one. Waialua, Waipahu, Kailua, Waianae were leading contenders, even in seasons when they were not league champions. Your opinion that anything asserted about Kahuku pre 1989 is incorrect is opinion in personem. You consider that a mere 7 league championships in 33 seasons qualifies Kahuku as being more than an occasional champion. That is an average of a championship for every 4-5 seasons, easily disqualifying your attempt to portray Kahuku as anything more than an occasional champion. I understand that Kahuku does not enjoy an enviable academic reputation, so your attempt to falsely portray its football program as something which it demonstrably is not is an understandable effort, vain and self indulgent though it is.

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By: KHS '04 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134989 Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:08:51 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134989 @ Pakelika – “A single occurrence of consecutive championships in one decade and a total of three championships in that decade, followed by four titles in twenty-three seasons certainly qualifies as an occasional champion; it strains the bounds of credibility-to put it mildly- to deny that, and assert otherwise, and conclude that Kahuku was anything more than an occasional champion.”

“Waipahu, Waialua, Kailua, and Waianae were leading contenders and the prevailing teams of those decades.”

So your initial response is incorrect to begin with because Kahuku and Waipahu were both, as you put it, “leading contenders and prevailing teams” in the 40’s. That right there alone, discredits your claim of your second post that you quoted, in this response to you. Which clearly tells me and signifies your disdain or dislike of Kahuku football because you fail to realize that and or give credit to where it is due.

Another thing that tells me of your antipathy for Kahuku football is the fact that you list Kailua as one of the “leading contenders and prevailing teams” of the first 5 decades of OIA football. However, they were only dominant from ’63-’65. No titles in the ’40’s or ’50’s, or ’70’s, ’80’s, and ’90’s. Kahuku won a title in each decade, and Kailua is one of the “leading contenders and prevailing teams” for those decades?

That logic is very telling of your stance on things. It’s okay though, keep enjoying the history in the making that Kahuku football provides for you, including number 28, of OIA Championships.

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134969 Mon, 13 Dec 2021 02:24:47 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134969 KHS ‘04 When you stated that Kahuku was tied for the number of OIA titles won after winning it’s seventh in 1972, did you account for Waipahu’s championship the season before?

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134967 Mon, 13 Dec 2021 01:10:24 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134967 KHS ‘04 Being “tired” of another team winning annually in a championship like setting (Prep Bowl) is not a reason that explains Kahuku’s success in HHSAA title games from 2000 and forward, neither is realizing that a team has the talent to compete and win “and that’s what we did.” There is nothing in those two statements that clearly explains the program’s success from 2000 on, in terms of a direct connection between what you stated and winning titles. You replied, but have no answer that is convincing and compelling, to the question what accounts for the success of the Kahuku football program after 1989-especially from 2000 to the present, in comparison to pre 1989. Nothing you cited in an effort to disqualify the assertion that Kahuku was no more than an occasional champion before 1989, disqualifies that assertion from being correct. A single occurrence of consecutive championships in one decade and a total of three championships in that decade, followed by four titles in twenty-three seasons certainly qualifies as an occasional champion; it strains the bounds of credibility-to put it mildly- to deny that, and assert otherwise, and conclude that Kahuku was anything more than an occasional champion. You are fixated on the fact that Kahuku was tied for the number of titles won up to 1972, as if being tied for the number of titles won disqualifies the assertion that Kahuku was no more than an occasional champion from being correct, it does not; the key and determining factor in determining whether the assertion is correct or not is the frequency of titles with in a period of time, not being in a tie for number of titles won after thirty-three seasons, only 7 championships in 33 seasons certainly qualifies as being only an occasional champion.

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By: KHS '04 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134935 Sun, 12 Dec 2021 02:55:18 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134935 @ Pakelika – You’re very welcome!

You had quoted:

“So you are too young to know from a first hand perspective what is or are the reason or reasons for the dramatic difference in the frequency of championship contention and success of the Kahuku football program between the era from 1973 to 1988, and the years since then, especially from 2000 to the present; if there is a reason, or reasons.”

I did graduate from Kahuku in ’04, so the latter part of your statement, I did answer in the beginning of my original post to you where we were tired of seeing St. Louis always winning. We knew we had the talent to compete with them and win, and that’s what we did starting in 2000.

You went on to say:

“The OIA was founded in 1940. In the first five decades of it’s existence, Kahuku was no more than an occasional champion, and a contender in a few other years. Waipahu, Waialua, Kailua, and Waianae were leading contenders and the prevailing teams of those decades.”

Kahuku (’43, ’44, and ’47) and Waipahu (’46, ’48, and ’49), each won 3 titles in the 40’s to lead in that decade. Waipahu’s coach (Mits Fujishige) for those title years started off at Kahuku when they won in ’43. Waipahu (still with Fujishige) and Waialua won 4 titles in the 50’s. From ’56-’72 Kahuku went on to win 4 more titles, under Harold Silva in the 50’s and Famika Anae in ’69 and ’72.

Kailua’s only titles during this time frame was a 3 peat from ’63-’65. Waipahu’s title count was at 7, and Waialua’s title count was at 6. Kahuku’s title count was at 7. So your quoted statement above was incorrect as well because Kahuku was tied for the lead for OIA titles at that point.

From ’73-’88 it was pure domination from Waianae where they racked up majority of their OIA titles, 10 to be exact until Kahuku won again in ’89. Waianae would go on to win 4 more titles in the 90’s while Kahuku would begin to rekindle it’s glory of the past, winning 5 titles in the ’90’s.

You also mentioned:

“If one were to read between the lines of your reply, it might be that the players of previous years before 1989 were not as talented in terms of quantity-at least-if not quality, or didn’t work as much or as hard, or did not care as much as players of more recent years.”

So this would be your own personal opinion on this matter at hand. But you were also incorrect with this statement as you were in the quoted statement before this one because again, Kahuku up until ’72, was tied for the lead for OIA titles at 7, with Waipahu. Now if you stated players before ’89 but after ’72, then you would be correct. I can’t say why Kahuku wasn’t good between ’73 and ’88, but I’m also not going to take away the fact that Waianae football completely dominated those years as well.

Towards the end of your response you mentioned:

“Also, you mentioned being robbed in 1996; Kahuku didn’t play in the Prep Bowl in 1996, Waianae did. If you meant 1995, that is relative to your perspective, there was also a call that went against SL, or there was no call when there should have been. It would be very difficult-if not impossible-to attribute any teams loss in the Prep Bowl, or in the HHSAA tournament championship game to being “robbed” due to the action or inaction of the game officials.”

That is correct, I keep forgetting football and graduation are not in the same year. However, I did have a couple cousins who graduated in ’96 that did tell me we got jipped in that game, and that is just a perspecitve, as you mentioned. But it is what it is. So yes, you were correct in that we did go to the title game in ’95 against St. Louis.

Your final statement was:

“Your other incorrect statement, that Kahuku won the Prep Bowl in 1999, was later corrected by you, but you didn’t say that Kahuku never did win a Prep Bowl, and that by the time Kahuku did win its match against the ILH champions in 2000, it was no longer the Prep Bowl, it was the HHSAA tournament final round.”

I did correct myself with the year that we did win, and I also didn’t include prep bowl in the sentence that I corrected because it was a State Championship that we won.

So from 2000 onward, we’ve built something special, just like what the Waianae’s of the late 70’s and 80’s did or the St. Louis’s of the late 80’s and 90’s did as well. And what it comes down to is the talent and the athletes that do come out of OUR community. There are many household names in our community, who generations after generations, have established Kahuku football and has made it what it is today.

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By: Pakelika https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134923 Sat, 11 Dec 2021 21:43:46 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134923 KHS ‘04 Mahalo for your reply! So you are too young to know from a first hand perspective what is or are the reason or reasons for the dramatic difference in the frequency of championship contention and success of the Kahuku football program between the era from 1973 to 1988, and the years since then, especially from 2000 to the present; if there is a reason, or reasons. I suspect that there may be a reason, just by considering the frequency of OIA championships from 1989 to the present. Was there a significant increase in the quantity of talented players, and/or the quality? Was there a change in the attitude of the players in the program? The OIA was founded in 1940. In the first five decades of it’s existence, Kahuku was no more than an occasional champion, and a contender in a few other years. Waipahu, Waialua, Kailua, and Waianae were leading contenders and the prevailing teams of those decades. Something more, I suspect, than simply effort and talent, was involved. Maybe the demographics of those other areas changed, along with that of the Koolauloa district, and brought about the present inequity in the balance of power among OIA football programs. If one were to read between the lines of your reply, it might be that the players of previous years before 1989 were not as talented in terms of quantity-at least-if not quality, or didn’t work as much or as hard, or did not care as much as players of more recent years. This is relative, comparing different eras, not necessarily saying that players of pre1989 at Kahuku didn’t care or didn’t work hard or were not talented. This might be a ripe subject for doing research and a graduate level sociological dissertation-Kahuku High School Football, Pre & Post 1989: What Accounts For The Dramatic Difference In The Program’s Success? Also, you mentioned being robbed in 1996; Kahuku didn’t play in the Prep Bowl in 1996, Waianae did. If you meant 1995, that is relative to your perspective, there was also a call that went against SL, or there was no call when there should have been. It would be very difficult-if not impossible-to attribute any teams loss in the Prep Bowl, or in the HHSAA tournament championship game to being “robbed” due to the action or inaction of the game officials. Your other incorrect statement, that Kahuku won the Prep Bowl in 1999, was later corrected by you, but you didn’t say that Kahuku never did win a Prep Bowl, and that by the time Kahuku did win its match against the ILH champions in 2000, it was no longer the Prep Bowl, it was the HHSAA tournament final round.

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By: KHS '04 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/king-of-the-road-kahuku-is-no-1-for-sixth-week-in-a-row/comment-page-1/#comment-134890 Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:33:48 +0000 https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=115437#comment-134890 @Pakelika – Kalamai, our first football title was in 2000

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