I believe my point of the OIA having to play 13 games to win states was not understood. Yes you have to play teams that are under 500, but each game can cause injury. High school teams should not play as many games as college, just as college teams do not play as many games as the pros.

OIA take it down to 6.
HHSAA take it down to 5.

This does make more sense. . . There’s years where the #2 ilh team lost out in states due to the format. Alot of ideas on these threads actually make sense. But one thing I learned since moving to the islands is if it make sense, it’s not gonna happen. #politics

Yes. Because if the point of your playoff tournament is to get the most worthy teams in the state into a playoff to determine a state champion, not necessarily what league is the strongest in the state/what league has the strongest teams in the state. there’s a difference.

“One team from each league, if you are eliminated from the OIA/ILH/MIL/KIL/BIL league tournament. ”

This is an arbitrary cutoff point and assumes that all league champions are equal. If all leagues were the same size and more or less the same strength, then okay, but they’re not. So multiple teams should come in from the same leagues, whether that’s an at-large process or a function of having a formula define how many playoff spots each league gets by virtue of the size of the league.

To me, a more “true” system for a league champ would be each league champ gets in, and the rest of the berths are filled in by at-large selections by an HHSAA committee made up of reps from all leagues. League reps should not be able to vote for their own teams. So if that includes 2 ILH teams and 4 OIA teams a year, or 4 ILH teams and 2 OIA teams, or 6 OIA teams and 1 ILH team, then so be it. The strongest teams should be in the tournament.

One team from each league, if you are eliminated from the OIA/ILH/MIL/KIL/BIL league tournament. Your season is over. Pick a division an play in it.

yes, last year is in the past, but the same arguments are being used today, that was settled last year.

The only real team that played Kahuku was BG. Other than that, all these “shut out numbers” are against trash. 2 ILH teams to win the state tournament. I hope they’re cut out to play 2 quality teams back to back. Something they haven’t done all season.

This is why I think that this year’s state tournament format is a precursor to the merging of the OIA and ILH leagues. The format makes much more sense if there was a three tier league with ILH/OIA along with a relegation system.

As far as ILH having NO defense, I wouldn’t go that far. It’s pretty clear from interleague play throughout the years that aside from the very top OIA teams, ILH tends to blow out OIA teams. Kahuku did blow out Saint Louis last year, but if you look at the other title games, almost all of the Kahuku wins were pretty close. ILH is a wide open, passing league, and even Kahuku, historically, is giving up almost 20 points a game in states to Punahou, St Louis, and KS-Kapalama.

Out of all the OIA teams, Kahuku is the only team that can compete regularly/win with ILH teams in states, so I’m excited at the prospect of an OIA/ILH merger and see Kahuku play tougher teams on a more consistent basis and ILH teams playing more games. It’ll be good for all the teams involved.

And who says “crickets?” HAHA. That is the most unoriginal and lamest thing I have seen. And the funny thing is a few guys think it’s funny, creative, and gets under people’s skin.

It’s so lame. Sorry but I cannot think of another word than lame. It is lame.

#crickets #crickets #crickets

HAHA!

yes, last year is in the past, but the same arguments are being used today, that was settled last year.

I enjoy the discussion. But you didn’t touch upon the extra games the OIA has to play, or the unfairness of being eliminated from one playoff, and being accepted in another.

Why bring up college games? if both offence and defense is playing great. I know, Kahuku is accused of having a “pop warner offense” by some, but they score, and the defense keeps others from scoring.

Different state format: one champion from each league playoff.

More cross league play. Let ILH winner play OIA 3 in preseason, ILH 2 play OIA 2 in preseason, and OIA 1 play ILH 3.

I enjoy the discussion

The transitive thinking that A beat B, and B beat C, therefore A will beat C , works in math but not always in sports. Kahuku beat Mililani, 20-7. St. Louis beat Mililani, 56-30. Therefore St. Louis should beat Kahuku easily? They play the game for this reason.

We are fans of the game, we want to see good games, but this double elimination-like set up is just silly. OIA 5 and 6 gets to play in the state D1 tournament? They just loss in the OIA playoffs, but they can play some more?
That needs to be addressed.

An OIA team has to win 13 games to win states, but an ILH team can win as few as 10? (Both these numbers are with the 2015 format)

We want good games, this format is giving more games, not more good games. I guarenteed that this years D1 will not draw as large a crowd as last years.

We like football, which is why we are on this discussion board, discussing football.

OIA has to win 13 games. But what type of games & teams are they playing? Can those teams survive an ILH schedule? Defense or no defense. You got quality games played every week in the ILH. Last season results is done & over with already. We’re talking now, present day. Strength of schedule & teams earning their keep. A high scoring game is a non defensive game I agree but you cannot possibly tell me that you cannot stomach a Louisville or past day Oregon Duck game. How about June Jones Hawaii offense? You couldn’t stomach that either? I dont know how people enjoy watching a Kahuku offense or Kahuku D against the trashy no scheme offenses in their division.