Comments on: Kahuku moves up again in USA Today Super 25

By: phILHarmonic

phILHarmonic — Mon, 10 Oct 2016 17:56:09 +0000

Cant argue with you on the games in the OIA this weekend but i was really referring to the potential match ups for the State Tournament in the three divisions.
With regards to classification, I believe its based on performance, take your division you have to move up(i think teams have been given a chance to remain down for one more year but if they take the division again they have to move up, or something like that), if you finish at the bottom of your division you have to go down.
I am a product of the PREP Bowl era and agree that the match ups were always solid, the best 1 and 2 of the OIA challenge the best 1 and 2 of the ILH. But the new format addresses the challenges of today much more effectively. There is a widening gap with the level of play within the OIA that results in lopsided wins week in and week out. This format will put those upper echelon teams together to battle it out with the best of other leagues, or league, ILH, for this year, and hopefully the outer island teams will opt in next year, if we have the same format.
Again, I have to say I enjoy watching competitive football games, and feel that the format for the state tourney will help to provide them. Will you be attending the state tournament?? Ill be there to cheer on these awesome kids.

By: Jason Keuma

Jason Keuma — Sat, 08 Oct 2016 05:56:57 +0000

More football? Competitive match ups? Three 3-4 teams and one 1-6 team are playing this weekend. Are you watching any of those games? I highly doubt it. Some teams are putting their equipment away, because their season is over. Take the OIA down to 6 team playoff, that way it is more competitive games, teams with winning records playing teams with winning records. Sub 500 teams playing sub 500 teams is not very interesting.

Making something more complicated is not progress. Its not a state championship, its the prep bowl 2. The three division sounds interesting. How are schools classified? By student body size, like everyone else does, or by some other means? Just curious.

By: phILHarmonic

phILHarmonic — Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:37:00 +0000

I like the idea of more football, competitive match ups and more opportunities for the players to showcase their talent for post high school opportunities. I think the kids welcome the challenge, the adults not as much.
Open division, D1 division, i think we all know that whoever wins the open will be King. Why quibble about it? Some of those teams would have been putting their equipment away but now have a chance to play against teams, maybe, more evenly matched and by golly more entertaining to watch.

By: Jason Keuma

Jason Keuma — Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:44:40 +0000

Three games for the OIA playoff, then 3 more for an 8 team open division? That would make an OIA champ have to play 14.

Under this one year fiasco. A team could purposely loose to become OIA 5, so they have a shot at D1 state champions. This is why I believe they did not think this “playoff” out. Let’s face it, if you are not the OIA 1 seed, you have no shot in the open division.

Take out the positioning (possibly loosing a game to get to the desired bracket), the opinions (polls), and the bureaucrats ( the pencil pushers that came up with this mess to justify their jobs) and simply have one champion per league, no second chances, (or third chances for the ILH 2 seed)

Some times the simpler solution is better. But to the person in charge, if it’s not their idea, it’s not a good idea.

By: al

al — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:17:42 +0000

@i love 88″PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THE WEBMASTER STATED THIS? HERE GOES ANYWAAYS RUNNING HIS MOUTH AGAIN AND MAKING UP CRAP.”

Dont’ worry about anywaays. He’s an idiot.

Jason Keuma: I dont’ get it. Can’t you have the same number of total games (or at most, an extra game added) as the existing format in a playoff scenario involving an 8 team quarterfinal? OIA teams have pretty consistently played around 13 or 14 games (if you make it far into the playoffs) since before the 70s. I don’t see people saying that the amount of games they play (8 in the regular season + 5 more games if you win playoffs and states) was too much or had negative affects on players’ health.

By: Jason Keuma

Jason Keuma — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:26:27 +0000

Pro and collegiate football. Pro football: 20 games a season. Collegiate football 12ish games a season. Notice the younger the player, the fewer the games?

Comparing Basketball to football? no comparison. Basketball is physical, but not as physical demanding as football. Pro basket ball: 82 games, best of 7 game series. Pro football 20 games. In a playoff, one game and done.

al- I agree that not all leagues are the same. I believe we also agree that we want what is best for the kids.

The state tournament was created to involve ALL leagues, but it boils down to the OIA and ILH champions playing. Sure the outer islands never get past the first round, but who is to say that they will not in the future? Appalachian State beat Michigan, and in 2000 Kahuku beat St Louis.

I still like Waianae over St Louis or Punahoe. They held Kahuku to less points than St Louis did last year.

A 3 tier system sounds better, but 8 teams each division? Yeah 24 teams to the playoffs, everyone gets a trophy. In this aspect i like the college playoff of 4 and 1. Fewer games, fewer injuries. The only problem is that populating the brackets is left up to opinions, which can be wrong often.

How to populate the brackets, with out opinions is the problem, while reducing the number of games. I believe that is too insurmountable. Sometimes the best solution is the simplest solution. One champion per league playoff.

By: Red Raider 4 Life

Red Raider 4 Life — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:25:37 +0000

I think that we do away with the OIA and ILH format and just put the best teams in the Open division, the next set of teams in the next division and so on. Also level the playing field by having all the teams have the same amount of players.
There are those die hard’s that say recruiting this or recruiting that.. That argument is moot, Kahuku still dominates and can hang with a team of recruits AKA St. Louis or Punahou. However, given the chance, most all parents would send their child to a private school so no act.
The point is, just have teams that can compete on the same level play each other and that would hopefully do away with these blowouts every week.

By: I love 88

I love 88 — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 06:35:31 +0000

@Anywaays….
Edu1st/ ILove88/ 808savage (confirmed by admins to be the same bipolar person):
….Alumnus of Lowell High in SanFran – uhhhhhhh..the football team is 0-5 but the boys cheerleading squad is making splashes.
Please go here to give back to your community http://lowellathletics.olinesports.com/schedule.php?sport=572
..support your program, team, and coaches like we always do here in Kahuku! RR4L!

PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THE WEBMASTER STATED THIS? HERE GOES ANYWAAYS RUNNING HIS MOUTH AGAIN AND MAKING UP CRAP.

AND WHEN CHALLENGED TO SHOW UP, LITTLE “ANYWAAAYS” WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. INSTEAD HE WAS AT HOME SHIVERING UNDER THE COVERS. “MOMMY I THINK I DID SOMETHING WRONG. I WALKED CRAP AND CALLED SOMEONE OUT. AND NOW HE ASKED ME TO MEET. I’M AFRAID! I KNOW WHAT I WILL DO. I WILL HIDE AND HOPE EVERYONE FORGETS.”

NO WORRIES BUDDY, WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE COWARD. KEEP EM COMING. ITS PRETTY FUNNY THOUGH.

By: RAM FOR LIFE

RAM FOR LIFE — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 05:28:43 +0000

Some people are still asking what I see wrong with playoff structure,,,Inc. continually
WRONG again this week. Lets assume this is NFL wildcard week?…Do you See what
NFL does right/different regarding the 4bye-teams waiting for next week?

By: al

al — Wed, 05 Oct 2016 01:13:33 +0000

anywaaays: “What NCAA Football tournament sends multiple teams from the same league? Last I heard only the winner of four conferences go into the college playoffs. NFL is the same, winner of each conference moves on. This is football not basketball.”

FCS runs their tournament like basketball: conference champs + at large bids. Division I college football playoffs don’t necessarily have to take conference winners, especially if a school is an independent school (like Notre Dame). It tends to work out that way because FBS football came from the BCS bowl system which used to only take power 5 conferences. There’s a lot of politicking involved to keep the money and the big games with the big teams. But in FBS, there are technically at-large berths as well.

NFL playoffs takes conference winners and two wild cards per league (AFC and NFC). Wild Card teams didn’t win their division. Wild Card teams are also known to win the Super Bowl, for example 2007 giants, 2010 packers, etc.

If the NFL used Jason Kuema’s system or the prep bowl, those champions wouldn’t have existed, and the playoffs would also be an inferior product.