Comments on: Introducing our prep football record book

By: Paul Bennett

Paul Bennett — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 11:14:55 +0000

@bleedred You must be a youngin if thought Pac5/Damien or Iolani were easy teams back in the Timmy Chang days. True, those teams don’t have great overall records against St.Louis but context would mind you that St.Louis often dominated state rankings year in and year out. Also, every ILH team has a high conversion rate of going on to play football in college from D1 – D3. Also, even predating the TC days, every ILH team (except pac5) has a positive record in interleague play. Your comment would be equivalent to dismissing every team and player that played during the Jordan/Bulls dominance.

By: insert name here

insert name here — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 10:08:19 +0000

Bleedred, I agree and disagree with you. During that time. Iolani wasn’t a “pancake” school. They were above average and could play with schools like waianae and Kailua on any given day. In the six games Timmy led the crusaders against Damien and Pac 5, I now for a fact he didn’t play more then 6 quarters because the coaches used These games to give guys deeper inthe depth chart a chance to play. They were not like Kahuku, who in their quest to gain national attention under Livai would run onside kicks in the 4th quarter while they were up by 35+. I do think that career stats can be misleading. As you have said, a lot of great players in both the oia and ilh would only play a half or less due to blow outs. I pay attention to these forums from time to time. Occasionally I see posts asking people to rank their top players at different positions. For example, the best running back I have seen was Pesefea Fiaseu. He ranks in the top 5 in yards, is top 2-3 in tds, and has the highest average, yet has somewhere between 150-200 less carries then everyone else on that list. He was one of those players who rarely played more then a half of a game, and nobody seems to mention him as being one of the best. He had speed and agility, and was able to run people over, and break tackles. And in the passing game he was a major threat in screens.

By: Jerry Campany

Jerry Campany — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:16:18 +0000

In reply to Paul Carvalho. I fell ya, Paul, but I consider them Oahu records for the Prep Bowl and State Championship eras. We are familiar enough with the years between the breakup of the ILH that you can call these modern league records if you want to. Nothing that happened in those years would change these lists.

By: Paul Carvalho

Paul Carvalho — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:41:34 +0000

Nice idea but you might consider removing the designations “All-Time” and “State” from this list. It would have been nice if you had gone back just a couple more years to the breakup of the old ILH, then you could have accurately called it “Modern ILH and OIA” records.

By: bleedred

bleedred — Tue, 05 Aug 2014 22:56:25 +0000

The game is always changing and conferences also change so records hold less weight now then they did in the 80’s-90’s. Wasn’t Timmy Chang playing pancake teams like pac-5/damien/iolani back when the ILH was just one conference? Larry Tuituileta of Punahou didnt have those pancake games. At the same time you have a lot of blow out games where the Star player only gets to play 2 quarters before sitting the rest of the game adding another wrinkle to why stats arent a true measure of how good a player really is or is not. I think people now days pay more attention to how well the player transitions into the college leagues.