Comments on: Football instant replay breezes through HIADA committee

By: bandits1

bandits1 — Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:26:17 +0000

Using the word “seeding” is causing confusion. Reading other articles both from Star-Advertiser and ScoringLive, it’s seems leagues with only one team in a division will not be allowed to play in postseason tournaments.

“…a league must have more than one team in a division to be able to qualify for the state tournament.”

That’s pretty clear to me. Pac-5(and other schools in other sports who might be in the same situation) needs to be given more options, otherwise, what’s the point? It would be like they’re on NCAA probation simply for not wanting to move up to a division where they’d be clearly outclassed in their respective sport.

By: Observation

Observation — Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:39:14 +0000

@Wainakea
Sorry, you are misinformed, Pac5 by default and according to the OIA-ILH two-year agreement would not receive any seed in postseason play, regardless of their possible record. The agreement is very clear and that is exactly what was conveyed to the team. The only way they can get a possible seed in the post season play would be if there was another ILH team in DII, that is it.

The agreement states that there has to be at least one team representing from each league (i.e., ILH and OIA) to each division and that there has to be at least two team from each league to qualify for postseason play. Pac5 cannot even move up to DI because that would violate the agreement and while Kamehameha is willing to move from the Open D to DI, no team in DI is willing to move down to DII from the ILH.

By: Falcon Future

Falcon Future — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 17:53:27 +0000

I think Wainakea is right. The softball tournament had a similar situation. St. Francis was clearly the best D2 team in the state but they were not seeded for the state tournament because of ILH numbers game. No matter, St. Francis still got in the tournament and won it!

This is actually a good situation for Pac-5. They are basically a automatic qualifier for states. They will not get one of the valuable byes in the first round, but if they have a strong enough team, they can still win it.

By: Wainakea

Wainakea — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:45:03 +0000

@Observation

Seeding means seeding, not a spot in the state tournament.
For example, ILH had 2 teams each in D-I and D-II last year. No matter how well they did during the regular season, they could not get a home advantage in the 4-team D-I tournament by virtue of the seeding rule. In last year’s case, the MIL also only had 2 teams in D-I so the only possible seeds were Hilo, the BIIF champs, and Waipahu, the OIA champs.

Pac-Five will basically get a guaranteed spot in the D-II tournament (unless they alter it dramatically so that they have to play a play-in game), but not as a seed. If HHSAA sticks with the 6-team format from last year, they would play in the first round as an away team to either the #4 or #5 seed (#4 seed most likely).

By: Observation

Observation — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 16:11:47 +0000

“If the proposal, which got through committee 26-11, gets final approval Thursday, teams from leagues with only two representatives (for instance ‘Iolani and Damien in ILH Division I) would now be allowed to be seeded.”

By default I assume this means division that only has one team from a league will not get a seed, regardless of record? ILH only has one team in DII, which means they don’t get a seed. What is incentive to play that format for that team? If HHSSA can’t fix this then the league has to find a way to support that teams ability to at least have an opportunity for post season play.