Comments on: Experienced receivers help bring new ‘Iolani QB along https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:46:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Broken Spoke https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116100 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 15:46:43 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116100 TDH Good points but your original thesis that STL would drop 70 points on Iolani was hostile and meritless. STL would never intentionally do that to a fellow ILH opponent (except in the late 90s when they accidentally scored 82 on Damien which actually lead to the ILH splitting into 2 divisions). Iolani pulled their starters after the first quarter and have a lot of respect for Kalani as many of the kids from each team as well as some of their played together at Kalani Pop WarnerI agree that Iolani should be reviled for poaching victories in Div II for over a decade and half but the program is on the upswing. Your subsequent comments are on point and sorry for the “guaranteed” remark it was low rent on my part.
Coach B right on point re: St. Francis recruiting and would be remiss in failing to mention how STF football program has created a tremendous financial burden on this tiny Catholic School.

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By: !!! https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116099 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 10:21:41 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116099 @to da house

Recruiting isn’t the way to go. Boys want to go play at Stl and they do attract some of the best talent in the state just because of their success, their is little recruiting involved there. But teams like st Francis, and Punahou, recruiting is arguably present. Yea, `Iolani is small but they aren’t quitters becasue they are well coached. You can’t just go comparing `Iolani to the top dogs of the state, especially Stl and Punahou, just because of their ILH status. `Iolani probably plays the best ball in the state with what they have with no recruiting. Size doesn’t compare to good coaching and hear which those boys definitely have. Don’t get me wrong, teams like Stl, Punahou, Kahuku, Campbell have good coaching, heart, AND size, it definitely shows. `Iolani scrimmaged and did well against much larger teams such as Roosevelt and Wai’anae, with their 4, 200+ lbs kids on their team.

The divisions are set up as they are for a reason, their is no real reason why a team like `Iolani should have to play top dogs in the state weekly just to “challenge themselves”. They will be playing against teams they ,ya be bigger than the, but match up well this year. Don’t count the raiders out this year.

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By: To da house https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116097 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 06:24:37 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116097 @coach B
Appreciate the comments.
I want to see more ILH teams compete and battle with StL who is at the top. It makes things interesting when several teams can realistically compete to be champs. This year, teams like Mililani, Kapolei and Campbell could possibly give Kahuku a hard time to go back to back in the OIA.

To answer your question, I think they should do some form of “recruiting” IF they want to move up and compete with the top teams.

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By: Coach B https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116094 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 04:36:00 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116094 @To da house

So just to be clear, you would rather have them recruit the talent that they could in order to compete with the top three ILH schools? Other wise they would have to wait to get home grown studs every now and then, but even that wouldn’t always be enough to compete with schools like St. Francis who really don’t make any effort to hide their larger athletic aspirations and recruiting efforts.

I could probably argue that, overall, St. Francis recruits even more than Punahou. The only difference being that their larger student body increases the number of potential home grown talents like Kanawai Noa and countless QBs. However I don’t see anyone complain about St. Francis yet. Is it only because they recruit outside of the North Shore? Curious as to this double standard between the Punahou/iolani’s and the St. Francis/St. Louis’s.

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By: To da house https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116092 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 03:42:26 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116092 It appears they became complacent dominating in the lower division. In the past (I guess way back when), they were very competitive. It seems like if they dont bring in the bigger players (and they could), then that would justify them staying in the lower division.
I’d like to see them battle with StL, Pun and Kamehameha for the ILH title again (along with
Damien and St Francis too).

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By: Coach B https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116090 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 02:54:14 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116090 @To Da House

I understand that you have a reasonable point, and I agree that complaining about moving up divisions isn’t conducive to a strong competitive environment. The problem though is that, how do you suppose they develop their program? Recruit?

I’d argue that Iolani has one of the strongest developmental coaching staffs in the state, but they just don’t have the same level of raw talent as other D1 and Open Division schools. They actually reach their potential. If you actually look at their roster they really have a D2 roster. Their heaviest player is 225 lbs. Half of their starting OL is under 200 lbs. By comparison St. Francis has a legit Open Division sized roster in D1.

Let’s understand that it’s not their fault that they play the best game that they can with the hand that they are dealt.

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By: To da house https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116089 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 02:06:59 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116089 @coach B
Of course there’s games within different divisions with blowouts. The reason why I didnt reference any of the teams/games that you mentioned is because Iolani is the only team that I can think of with 8 division titles in a 10 year span (# of titles in DII ILH is even higher) and then complain about having to move up and stay in a higher division. At least stick it out for a while and try to build your program to be competitive in a better division before moving down so quickly. Even Kaiser won one title then asked to move up to a more competitive division.
I would guess if Damien or St Francis won 8 titles in 10 seasons, then either team would be asking to play up and see what they’re made of even if they got cracks in the beginning years of being in a higher division.

The point is, if you dominate a division for a long time, develop and challenge your program to move up.

@broken spoke
Agreed, talk is cheap especially when you say something is “guaranteed” and you have no facts to back up your claim.

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By: ??? https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116082 Mon, 06 Aug 2018 01:03:51 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116082 63-0 against Kalani is average but Wendell Look will cry later in the season that Iolani only has 4 players at 200lbs and they should be in DII. “Blah, Blah, Blah” .

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By: Broken Spoke https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116079 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 20:39:37 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116079 Agree with Coach B and Others Iolani played its starters for 1 quarter…but To Da House and Northshore….if you saw Iolani play Waianae and Roosevelt this year, you’d know this is no fluke as Iolani is very skilled and well coached. Please check out YouTube and Hudl then check back with us at 6pm next Saturday after the Father Bray Classic that features Waipahu vs. Iolani….chirp chirp.

Talk is cheap but its worth even less when haters comment without ever watching the team they critique. TDA and NS guaranteed they neva play any HS football.

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By: Coach B https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/football/experienced-receivers-help-bring-new-iolani-qb-along/comment-page-1/#comment-116077 Sun, 05 Aug 2018 17:32:19 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=100318#comment-116077 @To da house

Sorry but how is this game any different than Kahuku’s 52 pt win over Konawaena, Kapolei’s 46 pt win over Castle, or Campbell’s 40 pt win over Hilo? A lot of teams played out of division opponents and had lop-sided scores.

If you read the article and saw the scoring summary, then you would’ve known that Iolani scored the majority of their points in the first quarter then pulled their starters. That’s pretty standard if it’s a blowout. It’s not like they were trying to run up the score.

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