Comments on: Damien, St. Francis may declare for D-I

By: Education First

Education First — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:19:48 +0000

Se_Polo – stop whining. In reality, in any given year the ILH has the best 3 teams in the State. OIA, MIL, BIIF are irrelevant. Iolani would have beaten Kahuku last year in the open division final as well. Iolani players have higher SAT scores and Look is a better coach than Cal Lee. Kahuku is a fluke and Mililani can’t recruit anymore. Any questions? CLASS DISMISSED. LOL!!

By: Se_Polo

Se_Polo — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 05:09:00 +0000

Based on HIDOE website, the 5 largest High Schools have enrollment range from 2000 to 3100. I dont know what Kahuku’s enrollment is but I would imagine its close to these schools.(http://www.hawaiipublicschools.org/ConnectWithUs/MediaRoom/PressReleases/Pages/HIDOEEnrollment1617.aspx)

Here is a simple format for class/division classification for public schools:
Class 3A(Schools with enrollment 2000>)*
Class 2A (Schools with enrollment 1000-1999)*
Class 1A (Schools with enrollment <1000)*

During the regular season you will have Class champions. State playoffs should have 2 Divisions: Open and Division I. Open is reserved for schools from Class 3A, Class 2A**, and ILH-DI. Division I will be Class 2A, 1A, and ILH-DII. As far as how many teams in each playoff division is something they need to figure out. At the end of the season, you will have 2 State Champs; Open & Division I

* You can create subdivisions based on location if the Class is too large
** Class 2A has the option to move up to Open Division or stay in Div I for state playoffs

By: Education First

Education First — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 23:14:22 +0000

From my days as a student helper, have heard from authorative sources that Punahou has a special educational track for those coming in to play sports but otherwise wouldn’t qualify for admission in the “traditional way”. It keeps them eligible to play and doesn’t challenge them unfairly in the classroom so they can concentrate on sports and athletics. Tuition is taken care of as well but they didn’t have to wipe desks and help out in tech room like I did.

By: Northshore

Northshore — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:49:07 +0000

@Locomoco: Enrollment being the criteria? Never happen because as you’ve mentioned, Kahuku would be in a different division from Campbell, Farrington, Mililani, Kapolei, Moanalua and others if they didn’t opt to go up. Complaints would be coming from the schools categorized with Kahuku cause they “gonna get buss-up every year.”

By: Northshore

Northshore — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:33:57 +0000

@Manuel Manzo Jr. Wow I’m impressed. Since you’re so well versed,”coached for 21 years and was an AD for three years,” you must have the solution on how to categorize Hawaii’s high school football divisions after mentioning, “the set up is the same as Hawaii.” Maybe you have the solution for Hawaii. To be able to compete in 13 divisions, what are the criteria used by all the Calif high schools? Can’t visualize that the set up is the same as Hawaii since Calif has the largest number of public high schools in the nation. Be interesting to hear how Calif categorize the schools in all the 13 divisions. Waiting for your response.

By: Manuel Manzo Jr

Manuel Manzo Jr — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 07:03:46 +0000

Mahatma Gandhi: “Mainlanders don’t know the difference between Div 1, Open and Div 2. In fact, on the mainland, the higher divisions (Div 5), is the highest level of play. WRONG!!!!
Don’t generalize the 48 states on the mainland. In California, where I coached for 21 years and was an Athletic Director for three years, the set up is the same as Hawaii.
Open division is the top division. There are 13 divisional football championships in California from Open, Div 1-AA, Div 1A, etc. to Div 6A. Matter of fact I would not be surprised if the HHSAA used the CIF (California Interscolatic Federation) as a template for their playoff system. Other state such as Texas have the higher number divisions (Football Conference 6A Division 1) as the highest division in their state.
Google ca be your friend……

By: locomoco

locomoco — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 00:19:49 +0000

Hawaii’s divisions are a defective system. There should be clear criteria such that schools with large enrollments cannot dip down into D2. Smaller enrollments like Kahuku can certainly opt to play up divisions, but not vice-versa.

By: Education First

Education First — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:52:59 +0000

St. Louis and Punahou also get first pick of the elite talent around the entire island, its not like the ILH only recruits the city of Honolulu, no, they go to the north shore, westside and now Cal Lee and the St. Louis crusaders are recruiting the neighbor islands. ILH recruting throws the balance of powers out of wack, sort of a “rich get richer and the poor get poorer” environment.
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Anyone can have their first pick of the elite talent. Punahou and STL does not have first pick of anyone. Any school can go to community leagues to look for talent and hopefully make contact with them. But if you don’t provide an appealing package then no one will go unless all other options have been exhausted.

As for recruiting who cares? On the mainland many private schools recruit heavily and the public schools still win.

It doesn’t work here since most public schools lack high level education. So who’s to blame any parent for seeking and obtaining better options for their kids.

As for Punahou and STL, they could show up at the last minute and still grab whoever they want. They offer a better package and many families will often choose them. They do not get the elite talent since they reach out to families first. They get their pick of elite talent since many families know the schools have a proven record of either being good at football or being really good at everything else (Punahou).

By: The Rim

The Rim — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 18:17:24 +0000

@anywaaays- Okay now you make a good point. On Maui and the BI all teams in DI and DII play each other. On BI they play once with the top two teams playing for the championship. Since this new format was implemented, DII teams Kona, HPA, and Kam Hawaii have benefited by playing schools with size like Hilo and Kealakehe, preparing them for the DII state playoffs. With the three tier playoff format, Hilo and the Maui representative will be competitive in the DI playoffs.

By: Coach_B

Coach_B — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 18:11:42 +0000

@TheRim
I agree that the D1 worked really well for the neighbor islands. Schools like Hilo, Kapaa, and Baldwin have had great teams in the last few years, but never at the level of the old D1 with schools like Kahuku. It hurts the game on the neighbor islands if they know they never had a chance to win. I know it sounds like the AYSO mentality, but I’d think that the possibility to win a title probably influenced players like Vartic and Nichols transferring to Oahu schools. However, I also agree with @anywaaays that D1 is just the consolation prize for most Oahu schools these days. The only school that might genuinely fit here is Iolani that is always stuck between divisions. Gotta get them out of State D2