Comments on: What have we learned: time for volleyball Sweet 16s? https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Sat, 03 Nov 2018 00:52:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Keeping it real https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-119365 Sat, 03 Nov 2018 00:52:06 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-119365 Hey Mr. Over It…. try get the full story…king K’s two starting outside hitters were both hurt one just coming back from concussion protocol and the other playing with a torn hip flexor…they both didn’t even play half the match against KS big island and still almost won….if healthy…they would’ve have definitely beat every OIA team and maybe even Iolani…just saying … A healthy Mililani couldn’t even get more than 18 points against Iolani.

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By: Over it https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-119037 Sat, 27 Oct 2018 12:09:49 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-119037 King Kekaulike is good, but they definitely should not have been ranked 3rd in the state. Losing to Kam HAWAII in straigh sets proves it. Mililani, Kahuku or Moanalua would have beat them. Stop trying to make like they got the short end of the stick.

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By: Sam Montalvo https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-119010 Sat, 27 Oct 2018 04:55:37 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-119010 I recommend defection from HHSAA for volleyball, and creation of a seperate Volleyball Association just as some states has done already. Hawaii receives no added benefits from using NFHS rules and the tournament is just terrible. Coordinators and tournament committee of Volleyball are outdated as well, oblivious to current volleyball culture and event management.

Change rules from NFHS to USAV or FIVB rules. NFHS rules favor participation and benefits teams with large rosters.

Develop a Seeding Committee to determine Schools in two or three divisions.

Limit game team rosters to 12 or 14 players.

Hold a 2-3 Tournament in Maui. (Use results for next tournament)
Then a 2-3 day tournament in Big Island. (Use results from both for state seedings). Format: Pool play, then Bracket play. Best 2 out of 3 sets

Then for States a 3-5 day tournament on Oahu, utilizing the convention center or schools, then an Arena for finals day.
FORMAT: Pool Play then Bracket Play, or straight Bracket Play with 16 teams, Best 3 sets out of 5.

Every year rotate sites or every three years at an outer-island site for states.

On-island competitiions continue as normal for league championships throughout the season. (Results can be used for seeding and tie-breaking purposes)

Overall it benefits teams, schools, coaches, referees, communities, and the competition integrity. Just a matter of an agreement for funding among all schools.

If the current system remains, it’ll be a matter of time till volleyball players from around the state (specifically Oahu) will stop playing high school volleyball and just play club volleyball year round, which is already happening in some states.

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By: Tia Thompson (Kahuku's Asst Coach) https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-118998 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:25:36 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-118998 @ Falcon Future:

Thank you, I was apart of that 2002 team that won it all! ILH will dominate however it comes down to the mental game. I say merge the top OIA and ILH schools like football and make an Open division. Why not!!!

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By: Tia Thompson (Kahuku's Asst Coach) https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-118997 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:22:21 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-118997 @Respect to the vanquished;

Great points however, girls volleyball has been dominated by the ILH for decades, followed by the OIA and lastly the outer islands. The ILH is very smart by having 4 teams every year to compete in D1 which allows them 2 teams in the State tournament. Imagine if they were like football, only 3 teams, I would assume only 1 team would make the D1 State tournament and the other bid to an outer island team which would widely open up the chase for a title. King K had an awesome season and we would’ve love to have them come to O’ahu in pre-season and challenge the top O’ahu teams such as the power 3 ILH teams or the top 4 OIA teams. Anywho, it ALWAYS comes down to the mental game when playing the ILH teams because the physicality is there to compete with them.

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-118996 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 23:17:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-118996 For right now and the foreseeable future, it doesn’t matter what the format is. ILH will dominate. Adding lower-place teams from other leagues for the state tournament is feeding lambs to lions. Does it really make sense for a neighbor island team to spend money for a trip to Oahu and then get crushed in one hour of play by a ILH team?

Do you know that you have to go back all the way to 2002 to find the last time a team NOT from the ILH even made it to the D1 state championship match? It has been ILH vs. ILH for the title every year after that! This year will continue the streak.

This sport might have to just let the ILH play by themselves in a open division.

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By: Respect to the vanquished https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-118992 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:16:26 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-118992 While I like the intent of this article, I am also hesitant to fully support it. The first issue, in my mind, is the “formula” that has long been used by the HHSAA to determine how many spots each league has. While the intent is to give each league a “fair” representation in State events, it absolutely does not always mean the best teams make the State tournament. It’s not going to make me any friends to write this, but the ILH’s 3rd place team, year in and year out, would probably have made at least the quarterfinals, if not semifinals, for much of the past 2 decades. Yet, only 2 can make it because there’s not enough participating schools in the ILH D1. Until this issue is fixed, I don’t know if expansion will give the tournament any better quality competition than it has now.

My second point I already made in another comment. I feel the seeding committee let down a very good King Kekaulike team this year. While they may not have beaten any Top 10 teams this year, they were the #3 team in the Top 10. To seed them below Mililani gave them the toughest possible matchup, Iolani, in their 1st match of the tournament. A team was going to have to take that draw, either Mililani or King Kekaulike, but I wonder if both matches would have been better, were the seeds swapped.

If going to a quadrant format with 16 teams, at least in D1, I think the best format would be 4 teams each from BIIF, MIL, OIA, and ILH. Each league hosts a “regional”, with a representative from each league, where the winners of each “region” then make the semifinals. Do away with the “formula” and let each league have a chance to send their best to the semifinal.

Thank you for the article. Great food for thought. Good luck to all remaining teams!

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By: Tia Thompson (Kahuku's Asst Coach) https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/what-have-we-learned-time-for-volleyball-sweet-16s/comment-page-1/#comment-118989 Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:21:44 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=102153#comment-118989 Luvly article. Maybe the D1 OIA schools should merge with the ILH D1 schools for girls volleyball as they do in football. That’ll probably “up” the competition in the OIA. Btw, how did this article go from volleyball to football (rolls my makas emoji, LOL). Best of luck to the final four teams in D1 and D2.

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