Comments on: LIVE BLOG: State wrestling seeding meeting https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:24:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Anonymous https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49095 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 14:46:46 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49095 One writer on the notoriously entertaining wrestling forum listed under high school sports at sportshawaii.com had this to offer. (Yikes! This is where I get off the bus! An expose of who’s who on the thread would come as a shock to many. Deductive reasoning helps).
twnoexcuses wrote:
“For a variety of reasons, this could be a boon to the HHSAA and Hawaii wrestling. Great first round matches mean a well attended Friday (meaning a more profitable Friday), with some certainty over when those matches will take place”.

“I assume there are some people who will be taking Friday off to attend, paying their way in, and staying, when they wouldn’t have otherwise”.

]]> By: d.c. https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49084 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 04:49:10 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49084 Well said, and my over-all point exactly. Looking at those qualifier brackets does not always tell the full story. When the state data started hitting the feed the advertiser writer wasn’t the only one shocked. In retrospect we all have an opportunity to learn something here (a) get the facts, (b) process the emotions, and (c) cultivate an attitude that builds Hawaii wrestling for generations to come. Big Mahalo to guy in the stripped zebra suit for a proactive and constructive response. One thing is certain here, debate is a good thing, as long as it remains civil. Again, best of luck to all competitors! Let’s get this in the books!

]]> By: Bryan akeo https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49081 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 03:10:59 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49081 It is what it is for now…… Everyone in the Hawaii wrestling community should understand how the seeding works for the state championships. You are in serious denial if you think kids forfeited out to screw with the seeding/brackets. You would possibly do the same if your kid was injured. Wrestle back for 3rd and risk serious injury and not even have the chance to compete in states. Or qualify, rest up and put it all on the line the following week. I’m pretty sure it would be an option if you were in their shoes.

I do agree that the HHSAA should consider changing seeding format, but it will be up to the coaches and league coordinators to make a proposal for future tourneys. Factors like head to head, a state ranking system, strength of schedule and placement in top tourneys should all be involved in seeding. We all know ILH #2 or OIA 2, #3 and possibly #4 are usually stronger than KIF #1 or BIF #2. In Cali states, the Southern or Central sections #2, #3 and #4 are usually seeded higher than the North Coast or North champ. Even the San Joaquin and San Diego place winners might get higher seeds than other sectional champs. They have a system and process that uses more than seeding only the sectional champs. The Big 10 #2, #3 and # 4 guys at some weight classes get seeded higher than other conference champs. Again, they use a variety of factors to determine seeds and get it right.

Here is what 132 and 138 might look if we incorporated a variety of factors in seeding:

132
1. Gallarde
2. Ikei
3. Rosen
4. Moore*head to head over Diamond
5. Diamond*i think head to head over Inovejas, maybe Rosen too, but he’s ILH champ
6. Inovejas
7. Miamura
8. Tabiola
9. Mimura
10. Pagaduan
11. Takenaka
And so on…..

138
1. Crimmins
2. Bailey*head to head over campos
3. Campos
4. Mantannoa
5. Cooper
6. Diamond* could be as high as high 4 or as low as 8
7. Leanio
8. ILH #2
9. Delos Reyes
10. Galigo
11. Hall
12. OIA #4
And so on…….

This would be the way to go…… Using a variety of factors to seed. Coaches and ADs, make the proposal to the HHSAA.

]]> By: d.c. https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49079 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:53:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49079 It’s exciting, and many challenges will be met with honor! Best of luck to all competitors, coaches, and administrators!

]]> By: SoSalty https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49065 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:55:54 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49065 Obviously you are being directly affected by this. If the number 1 seed truly is a number one seed then he or she should be able to beat anyone in their bracket. I highly doubt that these kids are trying to manipulate their placement. One thing you might not realize is that the OIA is a big tournament (you have 24 schools compared all trying to place compared to states 16 man bracket) and nobody wants to make it to the semis and crap out to 6th.

]]> By: Anonymous https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49060 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 18:34:06 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49060 To have 8 wrestlers with nearly unblemished records meet in the preliminary round is nothing short of a blunder. It should be brought under review resulting in those four athletes that were not #1 seeds being relocated to the bottom half of the bracket.
Then the burden is placed on O-6, the #2 and #3 seeds prior to meeting up with the #1 seed. Utilizing a scientific approach requires a look at the data. The intention of that meeting is to identify outliers, or rouge circumstances and correct them. “This moves really fast so stay with us here” is outdated and causal of oversights.

]]> By: d.c. https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49058 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 17:50:59 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49058 There is a clear pattern of 4 state contenders getting the O-6 position through forfeits and to prevent potential finalist from meeting in the prelims they should be placed in the lower bracket. Sorry to hear about the asthma attack. Most coaches know that O-6 translates to #16 regardless of other outcomes. Thus, an upper bracket guarantee, and basically a 1b rank. Bring it on!

]]> By: Really? https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49032 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 07:18:29 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49032 Anonymous & dc,
So these 15 to 17 year olds calculated how the rest of the wrestlers would finish the tournament, then predicted what slot they would get at the seeding meeting, oh yeah, they would also have to predict how ILH, MIL, BIIF would finish, and who would then be the first, second, third, fourth seeds. Just to face a tougher match earlier in the tournament. REALLY?

Obviously you weren’t at the tournament. The 132 first of all wasn’t the top east seed (3rd I think) hurt his knee during his quarters. The 138 hurt his knee in his semi’s. The 152 I didn’t see the match. The 160 had a major asthma attack and had to be carried off the mat. So they should be banished from the next week’s competition even though they qualified for making a decision based on the safety of the athlete? REALLY?

]]> By: Sports Report https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49030 Tue, 03 Mar 2015 07:06:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49030 Live Broadcast is on Xcast 1022

]]> By: Sports Report https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/state-wrestling-seeding-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-49008 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 21:26:13 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=36723#comment-49008 It looks like all the wanna-be champion girls flocked to 155.

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