Comments on: LJA Coach Lee Lamb: New ILH format is a success

By: Opinion

Opinion — Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:03:42 +0000

Are people forgetting that Kamehameha and Punahou beat Iolani with Elena playing? Elena is an awesome player but her team lost and they were out of states. Just like it would be if Punahou or Kamehameha’a lost. Everyone k ew what it was and win or lost. Were the quads split up fairly? Nope don’t think so.

By: Gma

Gma — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 05:54:03 +0000

LJA did their best, Good luck to all our schools next year. DI and DII, going up or down, continue to support our kids no matter what format they create. A positive parent, can create a positive experience. There is more to life, learning to be a team player is one.

By: Randy Burnett

Randy Burnett — Sat, 26 Oct 2019 22:20:14 +0000

Stupid idea. Some teams just Don’t belong D2! Or maybe is the coaching.
Look. At Scared hearts. They lost all their games. Back in the day if you win D2 you move up to D1 the next year. And if you become last place in D1. You go back to D2.
So let’s see who going be the sacrificial “Lamb”to move up next year.
Poor Iolani. They can beat any team in this state tournament. And they outside looking in. And le jardin In. Please

By: BangkokJoe

BangkokJoe — Sat, 26 Oct 2019 02:53:02 +0000

To make State’s fair and legitimate, there should always be a “wild card” slot included. It should be reserved for the highest ranked team not eligible through the current system, and only in the open division.

By: Wainakea

Wainakea — Sat, 26 Oct 2019 01:28:49 +0000

@Ridiculous

The whole premise behind ILH moving D2 schools up was so that it would get a bigger representation in D1 state tournament. Without quadrants, successful schools in D2 like Le Jardin and HBA would simply get thrown under the bus just so that the big 3 would all be effectively guaranteed in. If the playing field ever levels out, such to the point where the former D2 schools start beating the big 3 consistently, the quadrants would be abolished. This is my guess on ILH’s future vision. But if you didn’t put these safeguards in, the league could be jeopardizing the smaller programs just for the sake of having a 3rd slot. Otherwise ILH should stick with the old format and be content with 2 representatives.

By: Falcon Future

Falcon Future — Sat, 26 Oct 2019 01:24:10 +0000

@Ridiculous, You are right, it does not make sense … but it is the compromise that the ILH was willing to make to get three teams in both the D1 and D2 state tournaments. In order to understand the compromise, you have to look at what led to it and ignore what OIA does. This is strictly about ILH.

This came about because MPI and Maryknoll were thinking about dropping to D2 because they had no shot against the Big 3. If this scenario played out, it would have left Kamehameha, Punahou and Iolani as the only D1 ILH schools, and they would be battling for ONE spot in states.

This scenario would also give 4 spots to ILH in D2 states, and a virtual guarantee that it would be ILH vs. ILH every year in D2 finals. Good for the ILH D2s and also gives MPI and Maryknoll a chance, right? Well, this is why the ILH had to come up with the Quadrant syestem to assure the D2s that at least one of them would get to D1 states if they agreed to move up.

By: Ridiculous

Ridiculous — Sat, 26 Oct 2019 00:49:57 +0000

Falcon Future – that is even more stupid…based on your rearrangement of quadrants, let’s take the 5th or 6th place ILH team (since you want to put the top 4 in the same quadrant) and send them to states instead.

the OIA gets their top 5 or 6 teams in regardless or East or West. it should be the top 3 ILH schools regardless of quadrant or size of school.

By: justafan

justafan — Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:44:09 +0000

Definitely not a success – maybe only for LJA. It is a shame when one of the top 3 schools doesn’t make it to States and a #9 or #10 team does, just based on the quadrant they are in. The State tournament should include the top teams and know you achieved a championship by winning against the top teams. Regardless of whether it is Iolani, Punahou or Kamehameha that doesn’t make it into the State Tournament, it is a shame to not have all 3 of the top schools compete. If you play all season against the tougher teams that should be taken into account.

By: Falcon Future

Falcon Future — Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:05:53 +0000

For comments 1 & 2 (I think you are the same person anyway) … I see your point, but having the two quadrants is the compromise the ILH made to get the “small” schools to move up to D1 and get an extra spot in states for ILH. Kamehameha, Punahou, Iolani are basically in the same situation they were in past years with those three giants battling each other for two spots in states. Iolani shouldn’t be crying about it now only because they didn’t get in. They knew what was at stake all season long.

The big question is if the ILH will be fair in re-making the quadrants next year. If you base it off this year, Le Jardin should move up to Quad 1 to battle with the Big 3.This will likely bump Le Jardin out of states, but fair is fair. Mid-Pac moves down to Quad 2. And then Damien moves up to Quad 2 from Division II, and Sacred Hearts goes down to Division II.

By: Spectator

Spectator — Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:02:34 +0000

This was not a success because Iolani should’ve been in the tournament. I believe the only reason the former ILH Div 2 teams moved up to D1 is because they were promised all 3 big schools would be in one quad so that one of those former D2 teams that moved up would get in the tournament, yet still lost. Yah they took off a set from the OIA champ but Kahuku and Kam Hi took off a set from Punahou which barely beat those teams. Just imagine if the OIA and BIIF rearrange their leagues to get the ILH down to one entry, we would finally have a non-all ILH final since 2002.