Comments on: Coaches intrigued by idea of OIA-ILH alignment in girls volleyball https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Wed, 02 Oct 2019 23:11:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125712 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 23:11:05 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125712 ^^^ The OIA schools and the other leagues all get a chance in the state tournament for volleyball.

Exceptions were made for football due to safety factors and the added revenue that could be made through ticket sales. Neither of those things would come into play for girls volleyball.

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By: Opinion https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125705 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 21:35:58 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125705 Falcon future
So don’t even give the OIA schools and opportunity to compete in volleyball against the ILH is what you’re saying cause they have no chance?

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125703 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 20:09:49 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125703 @Opinion, your statement to me in #11 is based off this year only. My statement is based on recent history. I will put it this way in comparing girls volleyball to football:

From 2003 to 2018, the girls volleyball state championship game was ILH vs. ILH in EVERY SINGLE YEAR! If that does not explain league dominance to you, then I don’t know what else to say.

For football from 2003 to 2018, Kahuku (6), Mililani (1) and Leilehua (1) all won state championships for the OIA. St. Louis (4), Kamehameha (2) and Punahou (2) all won state championships for the ILH. That’s competitive balance.

Yes, I understand that St. Louis is dominating right now but they were also dominating 20 years ago until Kahuku adjusted. There is a general feeling that schools like Kahuku and Mililani can compete with the ILH and are capable of fielding nationally-ranked teams in any given year.

For volleyball, there is a general feeling that nobody in the OIA comes close to Punahou, Kamehameha and Iolani and nobody in the OIA is even close to being on the national scene like the ILH.

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By: Opinion https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125696 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 15:25:50 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125696 Vinny Tatupu
I understand what you’re saying but football has done it that way for 2 years now. Wouldn’t be a reason to roadblock a volleyball merger.

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By: Vinny Tapu https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125690 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 07:29:04 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125690 Opinion, I’m not saying it’s ok – to the contrary I think it’s chicken not to count every single regular season game! I’m not sure what you’re reading.

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By: Opinion https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125682 Wed, 02 Oct 2019 03:16:36 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125682 Vinny Tatupu

U do realize that the OIA doesn’t count football games against the ILH? Why is that ok?
Falcon future
Punahou and St. Louis will more then likely go undefeated against OIA teams in football Again how does that differ in volleyball?

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By: Falcon Future https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125675 Tue, 01 Oct 2019 23:52:43 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125675 I don’t know if merging leagues for regular season is the answer right now. The ILH teams are too far ahead. All you need to know is that Kahuku won states in 2002, but ILH teams have played each other in every state championship match since then. That’s 16 straight years of ILH vs. ILH in the title game. The streak will continue this year with Iolani vs. Kamehameha/Punahou.

If there were a open division this year, Iolani, Kamehameha and Punahou would be 1-2-3. All the “good” OIA teams like Moanalua, Kahuku, Mililani, etc., would have losses to the three ILH powers plus losses against each other. Staying in the OIA at least gives these teams a chance to experience winning and taking the OIA title before going to states.

You can’t compare it to football because OIA football teams like Kahuku and Mililani beat ILH teams for state championships in recent memory and they can still compete on that top level.

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By: ILH https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125665 Tue, 01 Oct 2019 21:25:27 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125665 Why would you want to merge volleyball?
Youre going to run into the same pathetic complaints you use for ILH football.

On one hand you’re saying we dont need football because they recruit statewide and then say lets create an open division for volleyball. Even more crazy, you recommending leveraging the continued existence of the football merger, as unfair as you paint it along with OIA dont need it, so that ILH ADS will make this volleyball merger happen.

As Coach Tia humbly shared, she dont want to wait another 20 years for a non ILH team win the championship, like they, Kahuku, did in 2002. #humblebrag So lets do the merger? Why, how does this help you win a championship?

I know why you want the merger. Because its good for the sport and the players. I can dig that. But you cannot condemn one and not the other.

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By: Vinny Tapu https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125655 Tue, 01 Oct 2019 18:50:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125655 If a merger for an open division is done, all games should count not only for the ILH teams, but for the OIA as well. You want to play in the best division in the State, then treat it like a game and not just as a glorified scrimmage. By not counting games in the won-lost column, you might as well call it a scrimmage.

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By: Opinion https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/featured/coaches-intrigued-by-idea-of-oia-ilh-alignment-in-girls-volleyball/comment-page-1/#comment-125644 Tue, 01 Oct 2019 15:18:40 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=108655#comment-125644 Tia Thompson

Agree with you also. Same can be said for football the ILH has kids from across the island. Problem the ILH has was having only 3 teams in D1. OIA football is self sustainable, having games played on campus and drawing large crowds. The merger was done more for the ILH.
Tokotoko;
Volleyball could create an Open division similar to football where Mililani, Moanalua, Kahuku and Kapolei would play against Punahou, Iolani and Kamehameha. The ILH would get berths depending on how many teams are in the division. As it is now the OIA doesn’t count its games against ILH teams in the standings; the ILH does. A similar format could be followed on a 1 or 2 year trial period.

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