Comments on: Checking in (extended version) https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/ The source for Hawaii's high school sports Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:41:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Ernesto Macadangdang https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/comment-page-1/#comment-4073 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:41:52 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=20377#comment-4073 Paul did you see the results of the Saint Louis Maryknoll boys game on Wednesday?

83 total Free throw attempts combined. Absurb! Maybe some of yours and comments in this post cause a change in the ILH haha. That’s crazy though. James Nunuha went 22-28 at the FT line. That’s way too much Free throws.

I know hand checks are the law, but a game like this is never entertaining. Refs as a whole have to be consistent from preseason to regular season and playoffs.

Regardless, players and coaches have to react to how a certain group of refs call the game. 83 FT attempts are still crazy.

What are your thoughts Paul?

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/comment-page-1/#comment-3835 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 02:13:38 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=20377#comment-3835 In reply to Tim Harrison.

Most excellently put, Coach! And this is the significant difference between ILH and OIA officials at this point. I will add this: the ILH referees called much more hand-checking/impeding progress fouls in the championship game of the Merv Lopes Classic. Different crew from the one that worked the Kalaheo-Saint Louis game.

Part of it is affiliation/league. Part of it is individual official’s interpretation. Then we get to pre-game. When one guy in a crew calls it one way and another guy calls it another, now we have chaos on the court.

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By: Paul Honda https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/comment-page-1/#comment-3834 Wed, 01 Jan 2014 02:10:37 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=20377#comment-3834 In reply to afriend.

I think it makes sense, even though it was startling to hear at first. A forearm can be interpreted as a setup for a shove or push. Hands may or may not, especially in the low post.

It’s very, very, very, very GRAY AREA. I don’t think there’s a pure science to officiating, though some might say robots would do better. It’s part science, part art. And part reflexes. I’ve seen officials lose their reaction time over the years, and that’s unfortunate. Happens to all of us. Father Time is undefeated!

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By: afriend https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/comment-page-1/#comment-3833 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:00:22 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=20377#comment-3833 Could you please check on Coach Mike’s statement regarding post play, “You can’t put your forearm on someone’s back in the post, but you can put two hands on them.” Wouldn’t putting two hands on the back of a post player imped the movement of the post player?

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By: Tim Harrison https://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/boys-basketball/checking-in-extended-version/comment-page-1/#comment-3831 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:50:00 +0000 http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/?p=20377#comment-3831 What if Harrison does not score? I don’t think it would be ok for the ref to now go back and say it was a foul after not calling it immediately. Sort of like the foul on the shot. If it goes in, they let it go. If not, they call it. The hand check is farther from the basket and more removed from the attempt to score. I personally think the ref should make a determination at the time of the contact. Did the contact interfere with the rhythm, speed, …..etc. of the offensive player? If so, it should be a foul. The problem is that it can become a real subjective thing that may have a big impact on the outcome of the game. I think the federation is trying to clean that up, and make officiating as objective as possible. Not sure that is possible when you have “human nature” involved and the rule can be open to interpretation, like it is.

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